1 00:00:06,660 --> 00:00:25,550 [Music] 2 00:00:30,870 --> 00:00:27,900 hello everyone welcome to the show 3 00:00:32,519 --> 00:00:30,880 Martin Willis your host and I am up in 4 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:32,529 the state of Maine I can such as caller 5 00:00:37,979 --> 00:00:35,410 down east I am down east with Steven 6 00:00:42,899 --> 00:00:37,989 Callahan and I'm really excited about 7 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:42,909 today's show back in the late 1980s I 8 00:00:48,869 --> 00:00:45,729 used to sail myself and also my 9 00:00:51,509 --> 00:00:48,879 brother-in-law one day at the time told 10 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:51,519 me about this amazing book he was 11 00:00:56,639 --> 00:00:53,409 reading called adrift 12 00:00:58,500 --> 00:00:56,649 also I used to be a crew member on a 13 00:01:00,389 --> 00:00:58,510 racing sloop but I think was a 12-meter 14 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:00,399 racing sloop out of Newcastle New 15 00:01:05,100 --> 00:01:02,320 Hampshire everybody was talking about a 16 00:01:06,930 --> 00:01:05,110 book called a drift so I did something 17 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:06,940 really rare at the time and that is I 18 00:01:14,010 --> 00:01:10,270 bought a book and I could not put it 19 00:01:16,169 --> 00:01:14,020 down it was fascinating a story of 20 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:16,179 survival and I'm really happy to be up 21 00:01:20,940 --> 00:01:18,940 here in Maine with a Steven Callahan 22 00:01:22,529 --> 00:01:20,950 how you doing Steven I'm doing all right 23 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:22,539 thanks very much yeah 24 00:01:26,940 --> 00:01:24,220 thanks for joining us thanks for still 25 00:01:29,670 --> 00:01:26,950 being here yeah my pleasure 26 00:01:32,219 --> 00:01:29,680 you can assure you yeah yeah um for the 27 00:01:34,819 --> 00:01:32,229 listener who has never heard this story 28 00:01:38,039 --> 00:01:34,829 I know you've told it a million times 29 00:01:41,819 --> 00:01:38,049 probably even more but can you give like 30 00:01:43,050 --> 00:01:41,829 a nutshell uh and then I'll go on and 31 00:01:46,410 --> 00:01:43,060 ask you so you want me to give you the 32 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:46,420 smallest nutshell I had no no yeah well 33 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:50,110 um yeah okay I'll be with a slightly 34 00:01:57,330 --> 00:01:55,840 elongated nutshell um in the late 70s I 35 00:02:00,810 --> 00:01:57,340 designed and built a little boat and 36 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:00,820 Poland solo my escape machine my life 37 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:04,810 was a bit falling apart my wife and I 38 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:08,410 were separated and I'm always a little 39 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:10,329 disenchanted with people in the country 40 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:16,420 and all that stuff and so 1981 I sailed 41 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:19,390 and pulling solo across the Atlantic to 42 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:22,630 England and the inspiration for that 43 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:24,640 goes back to my early childhood I read a 44 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:26,560 book called Tinkerbell written by Robert 45 00:02:33,100 --> 00:02:30,329 manry who was a newspaper reporter who 46 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:33,110 bought a little 13 and a half 47 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:36,380 basically designed at ceylon lakes and 48 00:02:40,190 --> 00:02:38,940 had a good time with his family with it 49 00:02:42,050 --> 00:02:40,200 for a number of years and then you 50 00:02:44,750 --> 00:02:42,060 decide ducted over put a little cabin on 51 00:02:46,730 --> 00:02:44,760 it and sailed it to England and I think 52 00:02:48,020 --> 00:02:46,740 he bought the boat for like $250 or 53 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:48,030 something like that I don't know what it 54 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:50,700 was almost nothing and it really showed 55 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:53,010 me that people could kind of have a life 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:02:55,200 of lead a life of adventure they didn't 57 00:03:03,140 --> 00:02:59,850 have to be particularly wealthy or smart 58 00:03:04,820 --> 00:03:03,150 which was fit me perfectly so I set off 59 00:03:07,340 --> 00:03:04,830 on my little boat finally when my life 60 00:03:09,260 --> 00:03:07,350 was falling apart and to fulfill those 61 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:09,270 childhood dreams of crossing the ocean 62 00:03:17,870 --> 00:03:12,300 on a small boat and Fred with it went 63 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:17,880 with me partway and I left the England 64 00:03:25,250 --> 00:03:23,400 in the fall of 1981 and was in a race 65 00:03:28,070 --> 00:03:25,260 that would eventually go down to the 66 00:03:29,870 --> 00:03:28,080 Caribbean but was very stormy they lost 67 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:29,880 the number of boats couple people got 68 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:33,780 killed and so I had damage on my boat 69 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:36,600 and I dropped out so I did but I needed 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:39,480 to get back to the States and earn money 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:43,890 and all that so I just continued on my 72 00:03:48,260 --> 00:03:46,410 voyage and got down to the Canary 73 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:48,270 Islands which are just off the coast of 74 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:51,209 Africa and was on kind of the final leg 75 00:03:56,660 --> 00:03:53,660 of my double crossing in the Atlantic 76 00:03:58,430 --> 00:03:56,670 which usually is the easy part I'd done 77 00:04:01,490 --> 00:03:58,440 the tough part the north part of the 78 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:01,500 North Atlantic and I was on the easier 79 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:05,190 part the trade winds blowing me steadily 80 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:07,230 to the Caribbean I got about a week out 81 00:04:13,790 --> 00:04:09,470 have a lovely week of sailing which is 82 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:13,800 unusual and the weather started brewing 83 00:04:17,659 --> 00:04:16,140 up but I wasn't particularly worried 84 00:04:19,620 --> 00:04:17,669 about it the boat I'd gone through 85 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:19,630 several gales before 86 00:04:28,170 --> 00:04:22,930 it wasn't anything too horrendous and 87 00:04:30,180 --> 00:04:28,180 about midnight February 4th 1982 big 88 00:04:35,970 --> 00:04:30,190 bang on the side of the boat filled up 89 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:35,980 with water very quickly and fortunately 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:37,360 for me the boat had watertight 91 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:41,530 compartments in it so it kind of 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:43,060 stabilized in the water I couldn't stay 93 00:04:46,740 --> 00:04:44,650 aboard because waves were washing right 94 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:46,750 on the waves are like I'll probably 95 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:48,850 average size and you know roughly 10 96 00:04:53,370 --> 00:04:51,940 feet or so so the boat was very very low 97 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:53,380 in the water that in fact the bow was 98 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:55,180 underwater it was just a little bit of 99 00:04:59,670 --> 00:04:57,610 the stern sticking up and waves washing 100 00:05:02,820 --> 00:04:59,680 over it so I inflated my life raft 101 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:02,830 jumped in when the boat stabilized 102 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:06,100 didn't actually outright sink than I was 103 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:09,070 able to get back aboard and died down 104 00:05:15,270 --> 00:05:10,690 inside and get some pretty pretty 105 00:05:20,370 --> 00:05:15,280 critical gear and after some time doing 106 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:20,380 this it I got in the raft and was going 107 00:05:24,060 --> 00:05:22,090 to wait daylight but it was like the 108 00:05:26,460 --> 00:05:24,070 international accident every few minutes 109 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:26,470 breaking wave would hit the raft and it 110 00:05:31,860 --> 00:05:27,910 was tied to this boat full of water 111 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:31,870 which was a huge sea anchor yeah and the 112 00:05:36,090 --> 00:05:34,240 wrapping very light bobbling around on 113 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:36,100 the top of the water just was getting 114 00:05:43,350 --> 00:05:40,450 crushed and just before daylight I was 115 00:05:45,630 --> 00:05:43,360 broken away from the boat which was kind 116 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:45,640 of a mixed blessing a lot of the story 117 00:05:52,470 --> 00:05:50,050 of the drift is about great in life yeah 118 00:05:55,380 --> 00:05:52,480 nothing is just good or bad things are 119 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:55,390 what they are and you try to come to 120 00:05:59,190 --> 00:05:57,250 grips with the reality of it and deal 121 00:06:01,260 --> 00:05:59,200 with it so for me it was like a big 122 00:06:03,750 --> 00:06:01,270 disappointment that I was broken away 123 00:06:06,090 --> 00:06:03,760 from the boat because I had a lot of 124 00:06:07,470 --> 00:06:06,100 water and food and things in the boat 125 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:07,480 that I might have been able to retrieve 126 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:09,790 the next day but anything just worth the 127 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:11,530 second there when you take broken away 128 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:15,610 now you had you had a painter going yeah 129 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:18,850 did that break no the painter it was a 130 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:20,950 pretty hefty piece of line it was 131 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:22,510 whatever it was tied on to in the bow 132 00:06:26,189 --> 00:06:25,090 broke and I just went drifting off 133 00:06:28,769 --> 00:06:26,199 trailing line 134 00:06:31,379 --> 00:06:28,779 and I you know look at it was all of a 135 00:06:32,820 --> 00:06:31,389 sudden this wave hit the raft and you 136 00:06:34,769 --> 00:06:32,830 know usually like I say it was like 137 00:06:37,679 --> 00:06:34,779 being an auto accident really every few 138 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:37,689 minutes and all of a sudden it was like 139 00:06:42,980 --> 00:06:41,110 peaceful relatively peaceful and I look 140 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:42,990 out nearest though you know I vote 141 00:06:49,739 --> 00:06:45,610 further and further behind so it was a 142 00:06:51,629 --> 00:06:49,749 pretty melancholy moment because I knew 143 00:06:53,070 --> 00:06:51,639 I was pretty much dead smack in the 144 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:53,080 middle of the Atlantic Ocean and 145 00:06:59,730 --> 00:06:56,289 drifting with with wind and current down 146 00:07:06,600 --> 00:06:59,740 when they had you know basically close 147 00:07:09,719 --> 00:07:06,610 to 2,000 land miles to go and it just 148 00:07:11,610 --> 00:07:09,729 seemed absolutely impossible but so I 149 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:11,620 spent the next two and a half months 150 00:07:17,579 --> 00:07:15,430 basically watching the environment 151 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:17,589 evolve and learning to become an aquatic 152 00:07:22,679 --> 00:07:20,529 caveman that's a good way to put it to 153 00:07:25,589 --> 00:07:22,689 us well it's really the thing I could I 154 00:07:27,809 --> 00:07:25,599 could you know just was very much like 155 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:27,819 living a cave cave man's existent but 156 00:07:30,899 --> 00:07:29,259 out in the middle of the ocean you know 157 00:07:33,089 --> 00:07:30,909 I fished with a spear I lived in this 158 00:07:39,089 --> 00:07:33,099 little cave or a hole it was a rubber 159 00:07:42,149 --> 00:07:39,099 cave and in tried to learn the nuances 160 00:07:45,300 --> 00:07:42,159 of the evolving environment around me so 161 00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:45,310 I could learn how to get food and 162 00:07:49,829 --> 00:07:47,620 produce water and do all the things that 163 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:49,839 would keep me alive for two-and-a-half 164 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:53,529 months now you had quite a rap yet a 165 00:07:59,369 --> 00:07:56,889 six-man raft Avery and I know that you 166 00:08:01,110 --> 00:07:59,379 had to yank on the court a bunch of 167 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:01,120 times and you thought right then it was 168 00:08:04,769 --> 00:08:02,770 all over yeah I didn't think the raft 169 00:08:06,659 --> 00:08:04,779 was going to inflate I thought I was you 170 00:08:07,860 --> 00:08:06,669 know because there's got this yeah it's 171 00:08:10,409 --> 00:08:07,870 got this ripcord 172 00:08:13,950 --> 00:08:10,419 and when you come to the end you pull it 173 00:08:17,010 --> 00:08:13,960 in it pulls the pin basically that 174 00:08:22,350 --> 00:08:17,020 allows a gas canister to inflate the 175 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:22,360 raft but they they do fail and I got 176 00:08:25,619 --> 00:08:23,740 pulling and pulling and pulling and like 177 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:25,629 nothing was happening and so you know my 178 00:08:30,839 --> 00:08:29,080 first my first fear I guess well maybe 179 00:08:32,819 --> 00:08:30,849 it was my first one but I probably my 180 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:32,829 50th fear at that point was that the 181 00:08:37,339 --> 00:08:33,870 raft wouldn't 182 00:08:40,309 --> 00:08:37,349 wouldn't inflate but in fact it did now 183 00:08:42,350 --> 00:08:40,319 when you went to buy that raft um that 184 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:42,360 was like way overkill for what you 185 00:08:46,429 --> 00:08:43,889 normally would need out to see 186 00:08:49,460 --> 00:08:46,439 did you like contemplate buying a lesser 187 00:08:53,299 --> 00:08:49,470 raft at the time or did you just well or 188 00:08:57,889 --> 00:08:53,309 them yeah well it was a mix thing um I 189 00:08:59,600 --> 00:08:57,899 had been interested in marine safety and 190 00:09:02,150 --> 00:08:59,610 I was involved in the marine industry I 191 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:02,160 was built boats initially when I got out 192 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:03,839 of school and then I got into doing 193 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:05,490 design at the time when I left in 194 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:07,290 Napoleon solo I was designing and 195 00:09:14,210 --> 00:09:11,420 teaching design and safety was a really 196 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:14,220 strong interest of mine and I had knew a 197 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:19,920 lot of people who were incredible 198 00:09:25,420 --> 00:09:22,610 sailors you know world class sailors in 199 00:09:28,489 --> 00:09:25,430 several of them had gotten into trouble 200 00:09:30,769 --> 00:09:28,499 so it was it was a distinct possibility 201 00:09:32,449 --> 00:09:30,779 that you go offshore and you can get 202 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:32,459 into trouble and there's no but you 203 00:09:36,739 --> 00:09:33,809 can't park it on the side of the road 204 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:36,749 yeah you know put out a little little 205 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:38,339 banner and hope that the staties are 206 00:09:42,319 --> 00:09:40,649 going to stop by and pick you up and fix 207 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:42,329 your problems I mean that's part of the 208 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:44,790 the deal of going offshore is you have 209 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:47,040 amazing freedom but you also have total 210 00:09:52,549 --> 00:09:49,860 responsibility so I I was paying 211 00:09:54,079 --> 00:09:52,559 attention to those issues and it won a 212 00:09:57,079 --> 00:09:54,089 previous boat that I'd had that I was 213 00:09:58,939 --> 00:09:57,089 living on I had a life raft and at one 214 00:10:01,519 --> 00:09:58,949 point we actually took it out of the 215 00:10:03,710 --> 00:10:01,529 canister and blew it up and a couple of 216 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:03,720 friends and I got into it and just kind 217 00:10:06,639 --> 00:10:04,860 of looked at each other and said oh my 218 00:10:10,460 --> 00:10:06,649 god I hope we're never in one of them 219 00:10:15,189 --> 00:10:10,470 and that was a four person raft and the 220 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:15,199 reality is that you know the ideal 221 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:17,850 situation would be to be able to pick 222 00:10:21,049 --> 00:10:19,230 something out of your pocket about the 223 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:21,059 size of the pack of cards and pull the 224 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:23,550 ripcord in the qe2 influence you know 225 00:10:28,309 --> 00:10:26,790 that's what you want yeah but it's 226 00:10:30,259 --> 00:10:28,319 difficult to design safe you quit 227 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:30,269 because you want it to be compact light 228 00:10:36,379 --> 00:10:33,059 and serve all purposes which is you know 229 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:36,389 a huge range of scenarios so the 230 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:39,149 standard raft it gives you four square 231 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:41,050 feet per person for its 232 00:10:46,710 --> 00:10:44,890 pasady because most people who are have 233 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:46,720 to get into a life raft or picked up 234 00:10:52,110 --> 00:10:49,930 within 24 36 hours it's only the 235 00:10:55,470 --> 00:10:52,120 oddballs like me out there sailing 236 00:10:57,630 --> 00:10:55,480 around by myself offshore that we need a 237 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:57,640 raft for a longer period of time so I 238 00:11:03,750 --> 00:10:58,930 figure you know the bigger the better 239 00:11:05,850 --> 00:11:03,760 and I bought the raft from somebody I 240 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:05,860 knew who had a marine business selling 241 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:07,990 stuff and it had been prepared offshore 242 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:10,570 by the it wasn't a brand-new raft it had 243 00:11:15,150 --> 00:11:12,850 been prepared for an offshore trip by 244 00:11:16,949 --> 00:11:15,160 the prior owner so in that extra gear 245 00:11:18,540 --> 00:11:16,959 and all that stuff and it was a six 246 00:11:20,670 --> 00:11:18,550 person raft so that's how I ended up 247 00:11:23,250 --> 00:11:20,680 with it well well so um 248 00:11:25,319 --> 00:11:23,260 you're you're sound asleep in the mill 249 00:11:27,329 --> 00:11:25,329 done I hear this loud bang and all of a 250 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:27,339 sudden you're you know you're here 251 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:31,420 almost knee-deep in water right and that 252 00:11:37,590 --> 00:11:35,079 possibly was a whale my presumption is 253 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:37,600 that it was a whale I mean there's a lot 254 00:11:40,769 --> 00:11:39,250 of stuff in the inn floating around in 255 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:40,779 the ocean there were logs and sure 256 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:41,920 gained years I've seen all this stuff 257 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:44,230 myself you know gone right by whole 258 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:46,990 trees and yeah could be anything it 259 00:11:50,970 --> 00:11:49,060 could have been anything but because I 260 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:50,980 was actually still sailing the boat I 261 00:11:57,420 --> 00:11:54,760 was going fairly fast forward across 262 00:12:00,030 --> 00:11:57,430 these waves and the blow came from the 263 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:00,040 side my presumption was that it wasn't a 264 00:12:04,170 --> 00:12:01,510 container or something like that that 265 00:12:06,389 --> 00:12:04,180 probably would hit on the forward part 266 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:06,399 of the boat but was probably something 267 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:08,110 that kind of hit the side of the boat 268 00:12:13,170 --> 00:12:11,110 and I had hit a whale previously in 1979 269 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:13,180 broad daylight I was steering and it 270 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:15,490 just was this it's almost impossible to 271 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:17,320 see them if there are any kind of waves 272 00:12:21,449 --> 00:12:19,810 out you know they're like logs awash in 273 00:12:23,850 --> 00:12:21,459 fact a lot of times they are totally 274 00:12:28,139 --> 00:12:23,860 awash and you just see little parts of 275 00:12:30,810 --> 00:12:28,149 their backs and and you know a number of 276 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:30,820 people I've known have hit whales or 277 00:12:34,110 --> 00:12:32,410 whales have hit them and see what 278 00:12:36,329 --> 00:12:34,120 doesn't make a lot of noise yeah 279 00:12:37,980 --> 00:12:36,339 especially in a stormy condition where 280 00:12:40,199 --> 00:12:37,990 waves are breaking and stuff it makes 281 00:12:43,139 --> 00:12:40,209 almost no noise compared to the way so I 282 00:12:45,180 --> 00:12:43,149 think we were probably just like going 283 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:45,190 on our merry way and 284 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:47,530 just a bump head just bumped had yeah of 285 00:12:52,110 --> 00:12:49,120 that but you know it's a lot stronger 286 00:12:52,950 --> 00:12:52,120 than whales a lot stronger than a little 287 00:12:55,500 --> 00:12:52,960 boat okay 288 00:12:57,660 --> 00:12:55,510 now you had a crack you had a crack in 289 00:13:00,330 --> 00:12:57,670 the hull and when you were crossing the 290 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:00,340 Atlantic that you repaired in France was 291 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:02,500 it worse someplace like in Spain after 292 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:05,980 it when I left um no the crossing to 293 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:08,170 England went extremely well well 294 00:13:12,290 --> 00:13:10,660 initially I broke the mast and had to 295 00:13:14,250 --> 00:13:12,300 get go back to the States at a 296 00:13:16,260 --> 00:13:14,260 jury-rigged and sail it back of the 297 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:16,270 states and re-rig it well then we 298 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:21,190 strengthen the the rig and and set off 299 00:13:28,050 --> 00:13:23,860 and then had a pretty flawless trip to 300 00:13:30,540 --> 00:13:28,060 England despite some gales and whatnot 301 00:13:32,730 --> 00:13:30,550 and but then at the beginning of this 302 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:32,740 race as I was crossing the Bay of Biscay 303 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:35,740 it was really nasty nasty weather like I 304 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:37,540 say it's numbered I think they lost 305 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:39,100 three or four boats in the same 306 00:13:45,780 --> 00:13:43,030 locations and I was really smash across 307 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:45,790 these waves and and I had a crack and 308 00:13:52,020 --> 00:13:49,090 developed just under the deck on one 309 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:52,030 side and so I sailed a boat into Locker 310 00:13:56,070 --> 00:13:54,160 in Ian the north of Spain and did 311 00:13:56,610 --> 00:13:56,080 repairs there and waited there for like 312 00:14:00,280 --> 00:13:56,620 a month 313 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:00,290 of this gale force winds every day 314 00:14:04,509 --> 00:14:02,570 like a month and then set off again and 315 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:04,519 got down to the Canaria you know went up 316 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:06,440 to down the whole coast of Spain and 317 00:14:10,329 --> 00:14:08,149 Portugal up to the deer and then down to 318 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:10,339 the Canaries now you built the boat 319 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,490 yourself which is quite amazing but do 320 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:15,920 you think that any of the integrity of 321 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:18,050 the boat was because it was a built 322 00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:19,730 though or do you think that it was just 323 00:14:27,340 --> 00:14:23,839 as salt as any it's hard to say I I 324 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:27,350 think that you know it was built as a 325 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:29,810 little cruising boat but you know not 326 00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:31,940 many people take both sides you know 327 00:14:35,769 --> 00:14:33,980 it's 21 feet so that's pretty small it's 328 00:14:37,809 --> 00:14:35,779 kind of like your average van or 329 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:37,819 something you know yeah taking it there 330 00:14:40,930 --> 00:14:39,649 are the boats that got plenty of us that 331 00:14:43,059 --> 00:14:40,940 got across the ocean of that size or 332 00:14:45,449 --> 00:14:43,069 smaller spec yes now but at the time it 333 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:45,459 certainly wasn't common no it's probably 334 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:48,290 maybe a dozen people in America who had 335 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:50,990 ever crossed the ocean in that size of 336 00:14:56,259 --> 00:14:53,360 boat and you know all boats are 337 00:14:58,449 --> 00:14:56,269 vulnerable yeah and there's a balance in 338 00:15:01,540 --> 00:14:58,459 structure because force is equal to mass 339 00:15:04,030 --> 00:15:01,550 times acceleration or deceleration so 340 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:04,040 they have you make something like above 341 00:15:09,129 --> 00:15:06,290 the if you hit something or something 342 00:15:12,910 --> 00:15:09,139 hits you the larger the force is as well 343 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:12,920 so there's a balance there and the boat 344 00:15:17,259 --> 00:15:15,410 was a cold molded boat which means it's 345 00:15:19,379 --> 00:15:17,269 basically plywood but you're making 346 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:19,389 plywood in a three-dimensional in a 347 00:15:29,230 --> 00:15:25,250 curved shape and it although people been 348 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:29,240 building boats this way for a while how 349 00:15:33,129 --> 00:15:31,220 tough to make the boat was still a bit 350 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:33,139 of an open question and whatnot and I 351 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:34,490 think I could have made it stronger I 352 00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:36,110 think it was partially my fault and 353 00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:37,519 that's why you know once I'm in the RAF 354 00:15:43,689 --> 00:15:40,160 I'm beating myself up about air all my 355 00:15:45,579 --> 00:15:43,699 mistakes yeah and I felt like I probably 356 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:45,589 let the boat down that I didn't make it 357 00:15:49,629 --> 00:15:48,290 quite quite strong enough I'm gonna mate 358 00:15:52,509 --> 00:15:49,639 all the way across the Atlantic fine 359 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:52,519 that you know on the way back and and I 360 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:54,380 don't know if I had made it even twice 361 00:16:01,090 --> 00:15:57,380 as strong if it would have survived the 362 00:16:02,269 --> 00:16:01,100 operation because I known I right before 363 00:16:05,769 --> 00:16:02,279 I lost the boat I met 364 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:05,779 the some French guys who were on a steel 365 00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:09,120 very conservative boat that got hit by 366 00:16:16,460 --> 00:16:14,399 an orca in a socket and Bailey's before 367 00:16:18,379 --> 00:16:16,470 me and the Robertsons were both on 368 00:16:24,369 --> 00:16:18,389 heavily built very conservative boats 369 00:16:28,999 --> 00:16:27,079 Butler after me as well as on a very 370 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:29,009 conservative very heavily built boat 371 00:16:34,569 --> 00:16:31,800 that was sunk by whales so I the answer 372 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:34,579 is I really have no idea now there was a 373 00:16:38,809 --> 00:16:37,110 friend of my crossing the Atlantic who 374 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:38,819 told me this story he was out in the 375 00:16:44,059 --> 00:16:41,100 Atlantic he saw this a boat ahead of 376 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:44,069 them sort of I don't know if it's a lane 377 00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,050 that you take or whatever but now so he 378 00:16:49,309 --> 00:16:47,519 saw the boat and he saw it was very very 379 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:49,319 low in the ground it was a cement cast 380 00:16:55,369 --> 00:16:52,529 hull mm-hmm and the guy came up that was 381 00:16:57,679 --> 00:16:55,379 on the boat he was going solo and he was 382 00:16:59,540 --> 00:16:57,689 totally drunk and he said the boats 383 00:17:01,460 --> 00:16:59,550 going down it's a book they couldn't 384 00:17:03,739 --> 00:17:01,470 talk the guy would not come aboard their 385 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:03,749 vote oh really so you know they radioed 386 00:17:08,389 --> 00:17:05,490 or whatever but can you imagine he means 387 00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:08,399 looks like he was clean he decided was 388 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:10,740 the yeah well there's an interesting and 389 00:17:13,789 --> 00:17:12,510 there was actually I remember seeing 390 00:17:17,689 --> 00:17:13,799 some footage because I've been you know 391 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:17,699 after my own experience especially I 392 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:20,490 continued to be involved with survival 393 00:17:23,779 --> 00:17:22,289 and safety issues yes and going to 394 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:23,789 conferences and all that kind of stuff 395 00:17:30,529 --> 00:17:26,370 and there was a very interesting video 396 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:30,539 of a fishing boat that had turned turtle 397 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:33,570 and was going down and there was a guy 398 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:37,740 clutching the back of the rudder and 399 00:17:43,549 --> 00:17:39,929 there was a rescue boat that was five 400 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:43,559 feet from him he would not let go he 401 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:46,320 went right now oh my god Mitchell could 402 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:48,360 not let go and I witnessed that myself 403 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:53,970 with people I'm back in the mid-70s I 404 00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:56,100 was in a harbor anchored and this little 405 00:17:59,779 --> 00:17:57,480 boat comes into the harbour and it 406 00:18:00,720 --> 00:17:59,789 screwed up and ended up on the rocks and 407 00:18:03,659 --> 00:18:00,730 I went over 408 00:18:06,539 --> 00:18:03,669 there was a woman aboard and you could 409 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:06,549 literally step off the boat onto a rock 410 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:11,230 and she was clutched on to this lifeline 411 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:15,370 staunch Anna and she she was she was 412 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:19,150 completely frozen and unable to hear I 413 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:21,280 think at the time she did have a tongue 414 00:18:26,220 --> 00:18:23,440 she was like catatonic and that's what 415 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:26,230 happens when well we found in in 416 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:28,510 survival scenarios in a very general 417 00:18:35,820 --> 00:18:32,710 sense looking at boy read fires and 911 418 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:35,830 and stuff like that about 15% of people 419 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:44,140 are highly skilled in being able to do 420 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:45,970 what kind of psychological splitting 421 00:18:50,010 --> 00:18:47,860 they might be frightened and freaked out 422 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:50,020 in whatnot but they're also able to kind 423 00:18:53,930 --> 00:18:51,880 of function on what they need to do and 424 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:53,940 assessing risks and things like that and 425 00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,250 about 15% of people will either be you 426 00:19:01,320 --> 00:18:59,200 know why we panicking running around 427 00:19:05,159 --> 00:19:01,330 like you know the proverbial chicken 428 00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,169 with their head cut off or in this kind 429 00:19:10,740 --> 00:19:07,120 of catatonic state a totally 430 00:19:13,770 --> 00:19:10,750 dysfunctional um and about two-thirds of 431 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:13,780 people roughly are can be functional but 432 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:15,790 they need some kind of guidance it's 433 00:19:22,919 --> 00:19:18,720 like the in its you know if you look at 434 00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:22,929 like in the ghettos in Nazi Germany that 435 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:26,200 were being emptied out people knew kind 436 00:19:31,020 --> 00:19:28,990 of had an idea this wasn't a good scene 437 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:31,030 so what did they do they went back to 438 00:19:33,780 --> 00:19:32,650 the they went back to their apartments 439 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:33,790 or wherever they're living they would 440 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:36,010 clean up and stuff and that happens even 441 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:40,330 in things like in in you know 911 and 442 00:19:45,630 --> 00:19:41,650 stuff it's a very common thing for 443 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:45,640 people to hold they hold meetings to 444 00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,580 discuss what to do or they would go back 445 00:19:55,710 --> 00:19:50,799 to their desks and tidy up and things 446 00:19:58,830 --> 00:19:55,720 like that you know so but if with a bit 447 00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,840 of guidance with the 15% or highly you 448 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:01,360 know functional in that time if they can 449 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:04,210 get people give people this guidance 450 00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:05,110 didn't they 451 00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:07,120 be highly functional but but but they 452 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:08,230 just can't do it on their own because 453 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:10,150 this is too overwhelming yeah you know 454 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:12,990 it's like sensory overload and 455 00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:15,280 especially if you're unfamiliar with the 456 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:16,900 environment at least I was familiar with 457 00:20:22,410 --> 00:20:18,730 my environment and I'd gone through all 458 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:22,420 kinds of scenarios in my head and had 459 00:20:27,870 --> 00:20:25,210 gone through you know a lot of 460 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:27,880 experiences offshore where I had to deal 461 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:31,150 with problems you know so I was actually 462 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:33,220 in a pretty fortunate position compared 463 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:35,410 to somebody who's like I don't know 464 00:20:37,530 --> 00:20:36,490 they're just out in their daily thing 465 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:37,540 and all of a sudden there's a terrorist 466 00:20:41,159 --> 00:20:39,160 attack or something like that which is 467 00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:41,169 like all of a sudden you're overwhelmed 468 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:44,230 by completely unexpected circumstances 469 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:47,860 sure yeah so so you're you're you're on 470 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:49,980 the raft and you realize that you have 471 00:20:54,659 --> 00:20:52,960 some food and your sleeping bag and 472 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:54,669 stuff like that that you have a lot of 473 00:20:59,039 --> 00:20:57,040 equipment left in the boat so each time 474 00:21:00,690 --> 00:20:59,049 you went back to the boat and you went 475 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:00,700 down inside well there's one time where 476 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:03,370 you got locked the yeah I thought the 477 00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:05,590 bag was going down yeah how could you 478 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:07,120 not think anything else in the boat was 479 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:08,770 going to go down while you're inside of 480 00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:10,570 it and there must been off it was like 481 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:12,220 it was pretty horrifying moment but 482 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:13,690 fortunately it was just one of these 483 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:16,330 things of you know only lasted a moment 484 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Aiyaa was i was going back the boat you 485 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:21,010 know the the raft has kind of standard 486 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:22,780 gear in it but I had a ditch kit all 487 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:25,210 made up with emergency gear and so the 488 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:27,010 first thing was to get that out and then 489 00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:29,620 it was insulation you know you don't say 490 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:34,540 that you need what clothes food and 491 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:37,090 water to survive well that's actually 492 00:21:43,500 --> 00:21:41,710 incorrect or oversimplified it's missing 493 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:43,510 something critical and it ones double 494 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:48,640 the clothing food shelter and clothing 495 00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:51,070 are the same thing you need insulation 496 00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:52,840 from the environment and you need food 497 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:54,340 but you don't need food for like a month 498 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:56,530 right well I mean you might need it be 499 00:21:59,850 --> 00:21:57,970 useful before that but you can live up 500 00:22:02,520 --> 00:21:59,860 to about a month without food what you 501 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:02,530 really need is you need insulation from 502 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:04,030 the environment which can kill you in 503 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:06,520 minutes yeah through hypothermia or 504 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:12,190 overheating you need water yeah and you 505 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,540 need food longer-term and 506 00:22:19,420 --> 00:22:16,640 of course this is presuming that you're 507 00:22:20,770 --> 00:22:19,430 not injured critically which there's not 508 00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:20,780 a lot you're going to do in a life raft 509 00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,760 yeah for that if you're critically 510 00:22:24,790 --> 00:22:24,320 injured you're kind of toast that's 511 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:24,800 right 512 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:31,010 to get more insulation it was cold 513 00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:32,510 enough especially at night hypothermia 514 00:22:36,250 --> 00:22:34,160 was a real problem the first half of the 515 00:22:38,170 --> 00:22:36,260 voyage second half of the problem would 516 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:38,180 be overheating during the day but the 517 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:40,160 first half was trying to stay warm at 518 00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:42,710 night so I got a garden wood piece of 519 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:45,200 cushion and a sleeping bag even though 520 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:47,300 they were wet a lot of the time they 521 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:49,610 gave me some critical insulation plus I 522 00:22:54,850 --> 00:22:52,250 had space blanket that kind of thing oh 523 00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:54,860 and so I got all that stuff out of the 524 00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:56,600 boat fortunately but one time though 525 00:23:00,970 --> 00:22:59,480 it's down getting stuff and I came up to 526 00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,980 the hatch and a hatch got slammed shut 527 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:02,960 and all I sucked you know it was at 528 00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,730 night you couldn't see a lot but I knew 529 00:23:08,770 --> 00:23:07,280 there was water over the top so I 530 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:08,780 thought that was it the boat was going 531 00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:10,100 straight down but fortunately it was 532 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:12,310 just a wave that was kind of passing and 533 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:15,050 it went by and I was able to get the 534 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:18,050 hatch open and get up and get into the 535 00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:20,030 raft a million things going through your 536 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:22,220 head at the same time yeah there's a lot 537 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:27,290 of you know people are I I don't look at 538 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:29,030 people as being single dimensional we're 539 00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:31,580 all multi-dimensional we don't just when 540 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:33,230 you say well what you think about this 541 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:34,810 or what you feel about that actually 542 00:23:40,590 --> 00:23:38,810 most people if they're normal they think 543 00:23:43,780 --> 00:23:40,600 a lot of different things about any 544 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:43,790 especially important issue and they feel 545 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:45,770 a lot of different ways you know you you 546 00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:48,800 I don't know you is saying goes you know 547 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:50,630 you you you love your spouse and you 548 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:53,030 want to kill them happy yeah you know we 549 00:24:00,700 --> 00:23:55,250 all have these different things going on 550 00:24:02,410 --> 00:24:00,710 so in in this situation you know I was 551 00:24:03,869 --> 00:24:02,420 actually quite aware that there were all 552 00:24:05,579 --> 00:24:03,879 these voices in my head counting 553 00:24:07,199 --> 00:24:05,589 going on at the same time as the boat 554 00:24:10,739 --> 00:24:07,209 was going down there was part of me that 555 00:24:13,049 --> 00:24:10,749 was certainly completely freaked out 556 00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,059 frightened part of me that was like I'll 557 00:24:17,639 --> 00:24:15,039 forget about it you're not even man get 558 00:24:19,379 --> 00:24:17,649 out of here sort of giving up there was 559 00:24:21,389 --> 00:24:19,389 a part of me that's telling those voices 560 00:24:23,489 --> 00:24:21,399 just shut the hell up yeah yeah and 561 00:24:24,569 --> 00:24:23,499 concentrate on what I needed to do and 562 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:24,579 there was part of me that was even a 563 00:24:29,369 --> 00:24:27,849 little amused by you know when we find 564 00:24:31,709 --> 00:24:29,379 the sort of gallows humor equate game 565 00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,719 and survival stories right so you know I 566 00:24:35,189 --> 00:24:33,279 get up on the deck and I see that the 567 00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:35,199 electrical system of the boats kind of 568 00:24:39,299 --> 00:24:37,419 fused together and the the camera I have 569 00:24:40,589 --> 00:24:39,309 mounted I have a little film camera 570 00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,599 mounted on the aft end of the boat 571 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:41,679 that's taking this really dramatic 572 00:24:47,549 --> 00:24:45,369 footage yeah that's right yeah that was 573 00:24:49,949 --> 00:24:47,559 pretty amusing actually and in through 574 00:24:52,099 --> 00:24:49,959 the voyage I would try to hang on to 575 00:24:54,779 --> 00:24:52,109 that you know not to suffer as the 576 00:24:59,309 --> 00:24:54,789 military turned in a sense of humor 577 00:25:02,459 --> 00:24:59,319 failure so even in dismal times you can 578 00:25:06,180 --> 00:25:02,469 find something - I don't know it not 579 00:25:08,069 --> 00:25:06,190 laugh at at least smile at ya now there 580 00:25:11,129 --> 00:25:08,079 were I wouldn't even know if you ever 581 00:25:13,529 --> 00:25:11,139 counted how many different ways that you 582 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:13,539 could have died that you were able to 583 00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:16,569 say but as countless things that were 584 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:20,559 happening on this 76 days and you know 585 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:22,690 so I'd like to talk a little bit about 586 00:25:27,749 --> 00:25:24,609 that and I know you were your bike was 587 00:25:30,719 --> 00:25:27,759 saved by a fork it was saying Baba as 588 00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:30,729 you say by any number thousand solve a 589 00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:33,009 problem ilion's billions of things 590 00:25:37,379 --> 00:25:35,169 really if you think about them sure no 591 00:25:39,479 --> 00:25:37,389 just yeah you know it's amazing that we 592 00:25:42,239 --> 00:25:39,489 have life at all that the water is the 593 00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:42,249 peculiar substance it is and has its 594 00:25:46,709 --> 00:25:44,799 properties or we wouldn't even be alive 595 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:46,719 that's right here yeah yeah but ice the 596 00:25:51,389 --> 00:25:48,609 way I spoke on the top of the al I know 597 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:51,399 so I don't know I 598 00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:54,569 but even ignoring those you know even 599 00:26:01,019 --> 00:25:57,190 getting focusing on the more obvious 600 00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:01,029 things you know that anything floats in 601 00:26:06,209 --> 00:26:03,940 the ocean is little island develops in 602 00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:06,219 Island ecology and that's what survivors 603 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:07,800 live on 604 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:09,990 in division have the same guarding the 605 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:12,150 fish start following it yeah yeah the 606 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:14,490 fish started gathering I don't know 607 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:18,090 within a few days and the school would 608 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:20,490 build over time through the end of the 609 00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:22,650 voyage and they'd use it I thought that 610 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:24,750 they'd use the raft as kind of a social 611 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,650 center if you will and just that alone 612 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:30,480 if I come close enough to me where I 613 00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,450 could actually catch them you know 614 00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:35,340 millions of things in the end of the 615 00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,380 voyage you know the kind of the 616 00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:39,600 culmination when I was rescued was 617 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:41,640 because of this environment that had 618 00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:43,980 evolved around the raft I mean really 619 00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,620 the story of the drift is really it's 620 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:49,679 not like Steven Callahan heroic floatie 621 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:52,830 survivor it's really Steven Callahan in 622 00:26:57,770 --> 00:26:54,630 depth humanoid in this amazing 623 00:27:00,260 --> 00:26:57,780 wilderness environment that that brought 624 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,270 to bear so many amazing little 625 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:02,220 coincidences and things that went just 626 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:04,410 right that allowed me to witness it in 627 00:27:10,340 --> 00:27:07,500 to survive in the end I was I was the 628 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:10,350 clumsy observer the stars of the show 629 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:12,450 were like the direito upon which I lived 630 00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:16,200 in the environment overall yeah yeah now 631 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,120 when you were able to actually spear 632 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:20,400 your first one was that fairly soon in 633 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:22,350 your your drift 634 00:27:28,790 --> 00:27:25,530 no let's it took almost two weeks oh wow 635 00:27:31,790 --> 00:27:28,800 yeah look you know if you look at the I 636 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:31,800 don't know the arc of the survival story 637 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:34,440 people divvy it up in lots of different 638 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:36,809 ways conceptual ways and whatnot the the 639 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,070 way I look at the models that I use are 640 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:43,440 more or less chronological there's not 641 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:46,890 and you know they're not fixed rules and 642 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:48,840 one bleeds into another but generally 643 00:27:52,490 --> 00:27:50,070 speaking you know there's like pre 644 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:52,500 impact how are prepare to you for what 645 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:53,220 might happen 646 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:55,710 then there's impact itself which in my 647 00:28:00,860 --> 00:27:58,050 case is the boats going down and you 648 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,870 know or fires your house catches on fire 649 00:28:06,020 --> 00:28:03,000 it's escaping that immediate threat and 650 00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,030 then you enter into what actually is 651 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:08,760 often the most difficult period for most 652 00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:11,880 survivors if once they escaped the 653 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:13,590 immediate threat and that's sometimes 654 00:28:18,140 --> 00:28:16,380 called recoil for me that lasted about 655 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:18,150 two weeks and that's a period of time 656 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:18,580 where you 657 00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:21,850 don't really know how am I going to make 658 00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:23,860 a living out here I mean I you know I 659 00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:25,870 even is prepared as I thought it was 660 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:28,299 it's like so overwhelming to think that 661 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:29,950 I'm going to get to the shipping lanes 662 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:33,340 not to mention 2,000 miles down into the 663 00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,230 Caribbean islands which is where I'm 664 00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:36,880 going to go eventually I don't have 665 00:28:40,860 --> 00:28:38,830 enough food water to make it to the 666 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:40,870 shipping lanes the ocean is dead clear I 667 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:43,240 don't you know and it takes a while for 668 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:45,610 things to start evolving if you figure 669 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:47,890 out systems so for me it was you know to 670 00:28:52,529 --> 00:28:49,990 produce water to catch fish those were 671 00:28:54,299 --> 00:28:52,539 the two primary problems and some leaks 672 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:54,309 in the raft and other adjustments to 673 00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:57,490 make but those are the big things and it 674 00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:58,840 took just took a while for that 675 00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:01,840 ecosystem to start developing and these 676 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,019 fish are not stupid in fact they show me 677 00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:07,840 they're a lot smarter than me which may 678 00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,149 not take a lot but they they were 679 00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:12,880 incredibly fast you know direito you 680 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:15,940 know they're fast fish faggin swim at 50 681 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:16,450 knots 682 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:21,820 that you know they catch flying fish in 683 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:23,529 the air and stuff like that they're 684 00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:27,700 pretty smart and so you know for example 685 00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:33,039 I had a spear gun and which I bought is 686 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:34,600 this kind of little teeny thing almost 687 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:37,809 like a a toy but I thought it would be 688 00:29:41,659 --> 00:29:40,310 useful especially in the Caribbean and 689 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:41,669 [Music] 690 00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:45,850 so I'm shooting it the it the fish and 691 00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,070 I'm but it's difficult you're above the 692 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:49,840 water and you have a fraction problem or 693 00:29:55,470 --> 00:29:52,470 the line they're moving very quickly and 694 00:29:57,330 --> 00:29:55,480 so I hit several and within 24 hours 695 00:30:00,299 --> 00:29:57,340 they knew exactly what the Ranger that 696 00:30:02,850 --> 00:30:00,309 spirit is maybe like swimming around the 697 00:30:04,169 --> 00:30:02,860 raft and now just got a range and but 698 00:30:05,789 --> 00:30:04,179 then they sneak attack because they do 699 00:30:07,769 --> 00:30:05,799 this thing they bolt the bottom of the 700 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:07,779 raft and we're still have no idea some 701 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:10,529 people speculate that they're rubbing 702 00:30:16,169 --> 00:30:12,970 things off there's tears my hair sites 703 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:16,179 or whatever but you know they noticed 704 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,010 this before in this behavior and so they 705 00:30:25,820 --> 00:30:23,880 would bump the bottom of the raft and 706 00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:25,830 they had different personalities 707 00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,420 actually I could tell them by the end of 708 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:29,760 the voyage by behavior patterns and you 709 00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,170 know that's big nail would love to come 710 00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:33,600 up on the around the raft and smack it 711 00:30:36,890 --> 00:30:34,980 with his tail and kind of push it around 712 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:36,900 on the ocean like it was a toy or 713 00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,180 something then and all of that but 714 00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:41,640 eventually that would I would use that 715 00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:44,640 to my advantage I push my knees down 716 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:46,560 you know the floor is only like an 717 00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:48,810 eighth inch of reinforced rubber so it's 718 00:30:52,670 --> 00:30:50,940 like it's almost like literally walking 719 00:30:54,050 --> 00:30:52,680 on water you feel every little waterbed 720 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:54,060 well yeah exactly 721 00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:57,330 I like you to do a waterbed living with 722 00:31:01,220 --> 00:30:58,970 a couple of kangaroos because it's a 723 00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:01,230 housing around everywhere all the time 724 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:04,860 yeah but that allowed me to push 725 00:31:08,180 --> 00:31:06,690 something down and the the fish we tend 726 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:08,190 to come up and bump my knees or anything 727 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,190 that was pressing down on the floor and 728 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:12,240 that would get them close enough to 729 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,130 where I could finally spear them I tried 730 00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:19,200 it with a line a couple of times that 731 00:31:24,890 --> 00:31:22,590 was a total failure yeah you know they 732 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:24,900 just bite through the line and I found a 733 00:31:28,580 --> 00:31:26,490 piece of wire and put that you know I 734 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:28,590 was making these lures out of bits of 735 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:30,840 couple flying fish landed aboard so I 736 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:33,630 cut the Middle's out that and stuck the 737 00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:35,130 head in the tail together and made a 738 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:37,380 lure out of it and the fly you know the 739 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:39,390 direito went right after that but the 740 00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,190 first they just bite off the line and 741 00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:43,080 then I found a piece of wire and I put 742 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:44,520 that to get you know for a piece of 743 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,710 leader and as soon as the next fish was 744 00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:48,960 hooked it just swam really fast forward 745 00:31:52,790 --> 00:31:50,340 to the front of the leader and clipped 746 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:52,800 off the line so I never caught a fish 747 00:31:56,660 --> 00:31:55,050 with line so if you didn't have that 748 00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:56,670 spear gun that's another thing you 749 00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,530 didn't have that spear gun with you you 750 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:00,720 would have been finished basically yeah 751 00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:03,540 a problem probably no you never know you 752 00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:05,460 know people who survived you know you 753 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:07,950 adapt to whatever you have you know 754 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:09,630 you're in an isolated environment with 755 00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:15,330 limited resources and it's amazing to 756 00:32:21,380 --> 00:32:18,800 see how survivors have adapted over time 757 00:32:24,050 --> 00:32:21,390 many of them do this guy khun lim who 758 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:24,060 during the war was on the solid wooden 759 00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:27,090 raft and he pulled nails out and bent 760 00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:29,220 them and used them for hooks and was 761 00:32:34,700 --> 00:32:31,620 able to get little fish and bigger fish 762 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:34,710 and so who knows i have no idea but the 763 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:36,090 spear gun was my 764 00:32:40,860 --> 00:32:39,130 zavier now let's talk of water is like 765 00:32:43,170 --> 00:32:40,870 the most essential that you mentioned of 766 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:43,180 course you know if you didn't have that 767 00:32:48,510 --> 00:32:45,850 padding your body would have you would 768 00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:48,520 have died from hypothermia because of 769 00:32:51,210 --> 00:32:49,990 though that would have just drawn all 770 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:51,220 the heat right out of your body just 771 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:54,130 right on the rubber but um this stills 772 00:32:59,310 --> 00:32:57,250 you had 3 stills right and two of them 773 00:33:00,300 --> 00:32:59,320 failed or you took one apart yeah I took 774 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:00,310 the first one apart 775 00:33:05,580 --> 00:33:04,030 I had part of that was the year that was 776 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:05,590 the extra gear that was packed in the 777 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:06,930 raft there were two in the raft 778 00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:09,250 fortunately and I had an extra one in my 779 00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:11,860 ditch kit and I tried to use them these 780 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:16,900 these were I to explain you know i've 781 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:18,400 diagrams in the drift and stuff that 782 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:19,780 kind of explains all this they were 783 00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:21,580 produced during the Second World War for 784 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:23,950 pilots and the idea was if they got down 785 00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:25,510 to the ocean they could set these things 786 00:33:30,570 --> 00:33:28,510 up and produce fresh water but as far as 787 00:33:31,650 --> 00:33:30,580 I know I mean you know honestly I have 788 00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:31,660 talked about this 789 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:35,380 like you say zillion times and to all 790 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:38,230 kinds of audiences with you know World 791 00:33:43,290 --> 00:33:40,750 War two vets and all that and I've never 792 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:43,300 read about or heard anyone who's 793 00:33:49,620 --> 00:33:44,740 actually got one to work in the real 794 00:33:51,210 --> 00:33:49,630 world yeah they were great in theory but 795 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:51,220 you were supposed to float them in the 796 00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:54,970 ocean and that definitely did not work 797 00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,190 because the ocean is not like a pool 798 00:34:01,770 --> 00:33:59,440 it's a very dynamic environment and just 799 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:01,780 like when the rat I was in in you know 800 00:34:06,390 --> 00:34:04,090 in a car accident in the raft I do a 801 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:06,400 very stable boat the raft was very 802 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:09,790 stable compared to this balloon still 803 00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:12,040 that we go skating off with every wave 804 00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:13,630 and come to the end of its tether and 805 00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:16,120 jerk get jerked and they were they were 806 00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,280 getting torn apart and all that and 807 00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:20,560 basically it's like a little atmosphere 808 00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:23,679 you drift but you pour in seawater in 809 00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:24,880 the top it drips through this teeny 810 00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:27,160 teeny little valve onto a black cloth 811 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:30,429 it's suspended inside the balloon so the 812 00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:32,530 Sun comes out evaporates the fresh water 813 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:34,929 out of the sea water off the black cloth 814 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,929 and it collects on the outside or the 815 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:40,020 inside of this balloon and rain 816 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:41,790 down to a little collection bag that's 817 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:45,330 fine in theory but all the excess 818 00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:46,919 seawater has to wash through the bottom 819 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:48,990 so it has a cloth on the bottom cotton 820 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,120 cloth when it's wet is airtight but it's 821 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:54,480 not watertight water will leach through 822 00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:55,770 it but if you'd like if you're in an 823 00:35:01,040 --> 00:34:58,350 emergency and the water I doubted this 824 00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:01,050 shirt I can make a life jacket by making 825 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:04,080 sure the it's buttoned up all tight like 826 00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:05,970 that and blowing it full of air and 827 00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:09,420 it'll fill up with air so what would 828 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,910 happen with the the stills though is 829 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:13,740 every time we go to the end of the 830 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:16,680 tether and get get jerked it was 831 00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:19,800 flinging all the salt water out into the 832 00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:22,080 distillate back to the fresh Cod Ashley 833 00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:24,390 so I was just doing nothing but but 834 00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,030 producing salt water so eventually I had 835 00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:29,820 to used not as directed I cut one one 836 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:33,840 was got torn and worse almost impossible 837 00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:38,670 to fix so I decided I'd cut it up and 838 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:40,980 see how it was constructed and figure 839 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,350 out something and that gave me the idea 840 00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:45,540 of I'll just use it not as directed you 841 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:47,460 know I have the saying that men never 842 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:48,570 read directions because they'd rather 843 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:50,490 lennie things and we know how bad they 844 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:53,250 are and so I put it on them on the raft 845 00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:55,530 and I need to keep the bottom this cloth 846 00:36:03,590 --> 00:35:58,880 on the bottom wet so that it would stay 847 00:36:05,540 --> 00:36:03,600 airtight hmm but then I could use it it 848 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:05,550 would be stable enough on the raft where 849 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:07,650 it actually started producing about a 850 00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:10,770 pint a day so you lived on a pint of day 851 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:12,750 yeah maybe a pint in a quarter I had 852 00:36:18,110 --> 00:36:15,630 almost no rain until the end and by then 853 00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:18,120 they because the the cloth on the bottom 854 00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,340 would eventually chafe and wear out not 855 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:23,220 not only chafe but rot ouch actually so 856 00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:27,540 each still had it had a lifespan and the 857 00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:30,300 two that I got to work each one had its 858 00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:32,070 own personality it had to be inflated 859 00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,590 just the right amount which mean I had a 860 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:36,300 mess around with it about every 15 861 00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:41,850 minutes and yet they lasted to I can't 862 00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:43,470 remember what Dave 863 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:45,940 fortunately for most of the voyage and 864 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:48,190 then after that I had you know I'd saved 865 00:36:52,859 --> 00:36:51,310 a stock pretty carefully and then I had 866 00:36:55,410 --> 00:36:52,869 a little bit more rain and it improved 867 00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:55,420 my rain collection system so it was just 868 00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:57,369 enough but yeah just over applying today 869 00:37:01,200 --> 00:36:59,050 fighting a quarter maybe something like 870 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:01,210 that plus whatever fluids I could get 871 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:02,980 out of the fish you know fish eyes and 872 00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:04,930 all these other delicacies I think you 873 00:37:08,730 --> 00:37:07,150 haven't know dude I hope you have a good 874 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:08,740 sense of you but you eat so she now oh 875 00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:11,650 yeah you actually do yeah not not that 876 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:14,230 actually in in the last few years I 877 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:16,510 haven't because I had an illness where I 878 00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:19,180 could not eat anything raw for a long 879 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:21,430 time so I haven't really gotten back to 880 00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,040 me I don't have a problem with it no 881 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:26,800 yeah actually I was very lucky I I i 882 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:29,290 once in my in little logs that i kept 883 00:37:34,170 --> 00:37:32,050 you know i I likened my experience to 884 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:34,180 being like in a prison cell where every 885 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:36,010 week or so somebody would open it up and 886 00:37:41,250 --> 00:37:38,050 throw me a big fat filet mignon but 887 00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:41,260 that's the direito or mahi-mahi as we 888 00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,180 know them in restaurants in this in the 889 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:46,720 states are very good fish yeah and so I 890 00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,089 was very fortunate to have a good food 891 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:52,480 source yeah that's amazing that and I've 892 00:37:57,930 --> 00:37:54,580 heard that like any debris in the ocean 893 00:38:00,510 --> 00:37:57,940 whether it's a even a plastic bottle 894 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:00,520 will start gathering physical 895 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:02,290 curiously you know yeah they have some 896 00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:04,330 light bulbs have whole little ecosystems 897 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:06,339 around them and that was when we were 898 00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:08,470 going across the ocean on Napoleon solo 899 00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:10,780 one day it was very light when we saw 900 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:13,599 this like cube of styrofoam about you 901 00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:15,730 know maybe six inches on a side or 902 00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:17,380 something or other and we're going by 903 00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,480 and there was a fish about a footlong 904 00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:22,480 fish parked underneath it and we picked 905 00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:23,980 up the styrofoam and the fish was like 906 00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:26,320 freaked out it's like zooming around all 907 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:27,910 over the place looking for a tout you 908 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,010 know and we put it back down fish went 909 00:38:38,460 --> 00:38:31,920 right back underneath it yeah yeah 910 00:38:42,980 --> 00:38:38,470 amazing so when you were out there for 911 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:42,990 those 76 days time goes by how was your 912 00:38:47,010 --> 00:38:45,250 sleeping habits we were actually able to 913 00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,020 sleep even though you were very hungry I 914 00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:49,839 was able to sleep but not for very long 915 00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:51,940 I mean the raft on the inside was a 916 00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:52,480 little 917 00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:56,230 under six feet across hmm and so it 918 00:39:01,500 --> 00:38:59,050 wasn't quite wide enough 919 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:01,510 I'm 510 and it wasn't I couldn't stretch 920 00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:03,550 out yeah we'd like ended you know you 921 00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:05,500 got rubber rubbing your head at the time 922 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:07,480 I had here yeah uh maybe that's why you 923 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:08,890 don't get out maybe I don't know it 924 00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,750 stirred certainly started right out of 925 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:12,900 the devoid but I think that was a 926 00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,330 nutritional thing but anyway the I would 927 00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:18,880 get cramped up and whatnot plus ie 928 00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:21,700 in I developed a lot of saltwater sores 929 00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:25,660 then your assault saturated environment 930 00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:27,220 it's one thing if you go to the shore 931 00:39:31,260 --> 00:39:29,260 and wash off in the ocean and come home 932 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:31,270 it's healthy and good for you but if you 933 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:33,550 stay in a salt encrusted environment 934 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:36,730 these they basically start like little 935 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:38,650 pimples on the skin and they break open 936 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:40,480 you end up with these open ulcers on the 937 00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:45,010 skin and they can be very nasty I was 938 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:47,080 reading for a very painful because 939 00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:48,490 you're also in a salt encrusted 940 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:50,080 retirement so you're literally having 941 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:53,710 salt rubbed into the wounds and I you 942 00:39:58,740 --> 00:39:55,510 know every well every place where you 943 00:40:02,250 --> 00:39:58,750 know I would have a lot of contact with 944 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:02,260 another surface like my rear end the 945 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:07,630 thighs arms in here and you know all 946 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:09,609 that they would form lots of these so 947 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:11,290 I'd end up with hundreds of these and it 948 00:40:18,570 --> 00:40:14,730 made it very painful but I could sleep 949 00:40:19,859 --> 00:40:18,580 maybe an hour and then I'd wake up which 950 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:19,869 was good good thing because then I could 951 00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:21,340 kind of look around the ride and I look 952 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:23,080 for a ship or whatever now do you have 953 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:25,180 any dreams like that you're at home or 954 00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:26,890 anything like that oh yeah I had lots of 955 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:29,680 dreams were a really big part of the 956 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:31,750 voyage and at first I kind of resented 957 00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:34,420 them because I've got like you wake up I 958 00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,150 wake up I'm still here as like a god I 959 00:40:40,859 --> 00:40:39,040 was like this horrible temptation it is 960 00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:40,869 the voyage length and then they got to 961 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:42,609 be precious for me because I well this 962 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:44,170 is the closest I can get to food or 963 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:44,770 water 964 00:40:48,359 --> 00:40:47,050 I would dream about I found a very 965 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:48,369 interesting that I 966 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:50,650 about all the foods that my body 967 00:40:55,289 --> 00:40:52,690 actually needed I am not agreeing with 968 00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:55,299 proteins Wow ed and Reno McDonald's 969 00:41:00,329 --> 00:40:57,190 hamburger steak or anything like that it 970 00:41:03,569 --> 00:41:00,339 was always frood and breads I needed 971 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:03,579 starches and sugars and vitamins you 972 00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:05,529 know my body seemed to know that I 973 00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,200 really and I'm not the first person to 974 00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:10,960 kind of notice that that our body seemed 975 00:41:17,489 --> 00:41:14,549 to have an idea of what they need and 976 00:41:19,709 --> 00:41:17,499 and so that I would dream about that I 977 00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:19,719 would dream about you know going home 978 00:41:24,660 --> 00:41:21,670 about people who meant something to me 979 00:41:27,809 --> 00:41:24,670 about the you know sort of my ex-wife 980 00:41:30,329 --> 00:41:27,819 food I probably did not treat very well 981 00:41:32,489 --> 00:41:30,339 and and you know screwed up that 982 00:41:35,849 --> 00:41:32,499 relationship about all the things I 983 00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:35,859 messed up in my life now what what would 984 00:41:40,589 --> 00:41:37,960 you say is that something that helped 985 00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:40,599 you keep going - oh yeah absolutely I 986 00:41:45,690 --> 00:41:42,670 think it's really important to survivors 987 00:41:48,209 --> 00:41:45,700 that you know you could like I say and 988 00:41:50,219 --> 00:41:48,219 so especially the recoil fury is really 989 00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:50,229 dismal because you beat yourself up so 990 00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:51,940 badly it's like every mistake you made 991 00:41:56,279 --> 00:41:54,190 in your life every failing every 992 00:41:58,739 --> 00:41:56,289 shortcoming everything just like plays 993 00:42:05,400 --> 00:41:58,749 you like this really bad B grade movie 994 00:42:09,209 --> 00:42:05,410 over and over again that and but it 995 00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:09,219 gives you an impetus that you know if I 996 00:42:15,269 --> 00:42:13,329 get through this then maybe I can become 997 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:15,279 a better person for lack of a better you 998 00:42:20,819 --> 00:42:18,609 know did you hack your return yeah I 999 00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:20,829 thought I was think of that a lot of 1000 00:42:26,339 --> 00:42:22,869 there's a there's a funny saying about 1001 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:26,349 someone that was a doctor saved from 1002 00:42:30,930 --> 00:42:29,529 someone from dying and the guy said I 1003 00:42:32,339 --> 00:42:30,940 want to pay you anything you want he 1004 00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:32,349 goes about half as much as you would 1005 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:33,700 have paid me a few minutes ago 1006 00:42:39,779 --> 00:42:38,710 yeah other did you actually those things 1007 00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:39,789 that you thought of did you actually 1008 00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,190 fulfill some of them when you yeah 1009 00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:45,700 things change you know I come when I 1010 00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:48,910 came back you know there there's the 1011 00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:51,279 immediate effect and longer-term I mean 1012 00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:52,670 this was more than half my 1013 00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:55,880 ago I was I'm 65 now I was 35 years 35 1014 00:43:00,099 --> 00:42:57,740 years ago just a few weeks ago yeah 1015 00:43:04,779 --> 00:43:00,109 thank you actually when I win a drift 1016 00:43:07,809 --> 00:43:04,789 yeah you know um so you know like for 1017 00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:07,819 example as soon as the voyage was over I 1018 00:43:14,019 --> 00:43:10,460 was like so super relaxed I mean I had 1019 00:43:15,299 --> 00:43:14,029 some problems I got really ill and had 1020 00:43:18,009 --> 00:43:15,309 some problems but overall 1021 00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,019 psychologically I was like super relaxed 1022 00:43:22,539 --> 00:43:20,480 like nothing bothers nothing buddy at 1023 00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,549 all I found it very amusing that people 1024 00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:24,319 would you know when I got home weeks 1025 00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:27,230 later and people would go you know oh 1026 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,230 well you got to excuse the condition of 1027 00:43:37,569 --> 00:43:32,480 my apartment or something like laughing 1028 00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:37,579 serious yeah it's not leaking is it so 1029 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:39,980 um that was different but you know over 1030 00:43:45,549 --> 00:43:43,490 time we come to just deal with day to 1031 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:45,559 day life like everybody else and I bet 1032 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:47,089 you Mon with the best of them about all 1033 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:48,890 kinds of things you know politics and 1034 00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:52,250 all kind of all kinds of junk but at the 1035 00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,349 same time you know like whereas I say 1036 00:43:57,849 --> 00:43:56,000 you know I don't think there were single 1037 00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:57,859 dimensional people there is a part of me 1038 00:44:04,329 --> 00:44:00,170 that where you know this experience 1039 00:44:08,349 --> 00:44:04,339 lives on in me and again so I view life 1040 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:08,359 through this filter all the time when I 1041 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,420 say I'm you know I I can't know I don't 1042 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:14,240 know if I've ever used the term I'm 1043 00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:15,529 going to eat I'm starving 1044 00:44:23,950 --> 00:44:21,160 since that time for example I would take 1045 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:23,960 you know you take a shower or a bath and 1046 00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:25,490 you realize you know I'm using as much 1047 00:44:28,839 --> 00:44:27,349 water and you know like a bathtub fill 1048 00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:28,849 up a bathtub with water that's that's 1049 00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:30,529 more water than I lived on for two and a 1050 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:32,390 half months god it gives you a different 1051 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:34,910 perspective when you see people who are 1052 00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:37,970 actually starving is difficult although 1053 00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:39,980 you can't solve all the world's problems 1054 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:43,460 but yeah I think overall I came back a 1055 00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:48,250 big I guess overall the the the biggest 1056 00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:54,470 issue for me was that until this point I 1057 00:44:59,350 --> 00:44:57,020 was I I had been very introverted 1058 00:45:01,359 --> 00:44:59,360 I wasn't a people person at all I've 1059 00:45:03,460 --> 00:45:01,369 spent a lot of my life I was comfortable 1060 00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:03,470 like in wilderness environments mm-hmm 1061 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:07,400 and I had a few close friends but I 1062 00:45:09,970 --> 00:45:09,440 wasn't really gregarious or anything 1063 00:45:12,609 --> 00:45:09,980 like that 1064 00:45:14,109 --> 00:45:12,619 and I didn't think I needed people very 1065 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:14,119 much and when I left the States I think 1066 00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:16,550 that was a big a big part of it was like 1067 00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:18,470 all people are so problematic which we 1068 00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,640 are but through the experience I I came 1069 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:25,040 to realize that whether I liked it or 1070 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:27,650 not I was not a sea creature see I was 1071 00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:28,970 surrounded by them and they were a lot 1072 00:45:32,650 --> 00:45:30,590 more adapted than I was 1073 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:32,660 it wasn't really my environment whether 1074 00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:35,090 I liked it or not I was person and I had 1075 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:37,940 to somehow come to embrace my own 1076 00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,650 humanity and that of other people 1077 00:45:44,290 --> 00:45:42,560 despite our problems and I think I did 1078 00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:44,300 do that you know I came back I've had 1079 00:45:53,140 --> 00:45:50,150 you know Cathy my my my wife is you know 1080 00:45:55,450 --> 00:45:53,150 was a friend when I left and you know we 1081 00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:55,460 started started living together as a 1082 00:46:00,430 --> 00:45:57,590 matter of convenience actually because 1083 00:46:04,359 --> 00:46:00,440 but neither of us had anything back 1982 1084 00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:04,369 and we just never laughed so you know 1085 00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:07,990 I'm hoping that I'm a better at at 1086 00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:11,180 relationships that I was excuse me that 1087 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:12,830 was that was a really important thing 1088 00:46:19,330 --> 00:46:16,490 for me yeah yeah yeah I could see now 1089 00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,340 how long would you have been in this 1090 00:46:24,270 --> 00:46:21,680 raft floating before people realized 1091 00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:24,280 that you were actually missing but among 1092 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:27,590 so people did realize at that point yeah 1093 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:29,510 then to it yeah was there any type of 1094 00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:33,890 search and oh well they were my parents 1095 00:46:40,510 --> 00:46:37,030 actually went through quite a an 1096 00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:40,520 extended attempt to get a search going 1097 00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,950 but the fact of the matter is unless the 1098 00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:45,440 you know the Coast Guard has an 1099 00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:48,320 approximate position they're not hello 1100 00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:49,700 for you in the middle of the ocean it's 1101 00:46:55,230 --> 00:46:52,100 just like do be big right wherever they 1102 00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:55,240 even start yeah but they had problems 1103 00:47:00,220 --> 00:46:57,560 through the coastguard getting the Coast 1104 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:00,230 Guard to kind of acknowledge even that I 1105 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:03,050 was gone you know first they refused all 1106 00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:05,210 you got to prove to us that you know we 1107 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:06,920 actually left from this place they had a 1108 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:09,130 you know get correspond that sentence 1109 00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:11,410 and whatnot and then they could do a 1110 00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:13,540 notice to Mariners that I was overdue so 1111 00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:15,550 that ships and whatnot could kind of 1112 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:19,030 keep an eye out but there was never 1113 00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:21,130 going to be an act you know an actual 1114 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:23,020 search in the middle of the ocean for me 1115 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:27,370 and that's changed a bit because the you 1116 00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:29,530 know just the technology is moved right 1117 00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:31,270 I had this thing called an e curve which 1118 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:33,700 is a basically an emergency radio that 1119 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:36,970 sends out an SOS not actually but it 1120 00:47:42,060 --> 00:47:40,660 sends out an emergency message and at 1121 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:42,070 the time they were only being monitored 1122 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:44,050 by aircraft and then the aircraft had to 1123 00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:45,910 be pretty close to their position so I 1124 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:47,710 and I was just in a pretty empty part of 1125 00:47:52,940 --> 00:47:49,810 the Atlantic and now they're all being 1126 00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:52,950 I'm sorry they're all being monitored by 1127 00:47:57,180 --> 00:47:55,840 satellite well they have like the 1128 00:47:58,170 --> 00:47:57,190 different equipment now is that I was 1129 00:48:00,540 --> 00:47:58,180 going to be one of the questions I was 1130 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,550 going to ask you like if you were in 1131 00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,800 today's world this wouldn't have 1132 00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,240 happened basically right with all the 1133 00:48:08,850 --> 00:48:06,640 technology they have no not necessarily 1134 00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:08,860 true people go missing still people 1135 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:11,950 still drift off and it's something 1136 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:17,470 that's you know even even if let's say 1137 00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:20,170 you have a perfectly working modern 1138 00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:21,280 eeper that's picked up by satellite 1139 00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:22,990 there's still no guarantee somebody's 1140 00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:25,240 going to be able to reach you but before 1141 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:26,980 the battery goes off or removing it or 1142 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:28,930 their soul or ninety percent false 1143 00:48:33,540 --> 00:48:31,330 alarms anyway you know they have their 1144 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:33,550 own problems and malfunctions and this 1145 00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:35,170 and that but there are a lot of parts of 1146 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:37,920 the world a huge chunk of the world 1147 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:44,170 where it's just really empty and you 1148 00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:47,050 know nobody's people are days away from 1149 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:49,180 you even if they know you're there and 1150 00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,650 they're steaming straight for you as 1151 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:51,520 quickly as they can 1152 00:48:55,380 --> 00:48:54,220 plus add on to that that there's a lot 1153 00:48:58,350 --> 00:48:55,390 of the world that has no 1154 00:49:00,270 --> 00:48:58,360 search-and-rescue facilities of any sort 1155 00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:00,280 especially compared to the United States 1156 00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:02,110 and we're spoiled here you know we think 1157 00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:05,590 Oh Coast Guard's there and you know even 1158 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:07,870 they have difficulty keeping up with 1159 00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:10,090 things and especially if they get budget 1160 00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:14,340 cuts in the near future yeah so it's 1161 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:16,870 really when you go offshore you have to 1162 00:49:19,830 --> 00:49:17,290 go with 1163 00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:19,840 attitude that you know if if you get 1164 00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,580 yourself into trouble and somebody gets 1165 00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:23,920 you out of it you're one very lucky 1166 00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:26,100 camper that you really have to rely upon 1167 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:29,380 yourself right now have you spoken to 1168 00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:30,730 anyone that's had a similar experience 1169 00:49:36,510 --> 00:49:33,430 you'll personally spoken to people yeah 1170 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:36,520 yeah sure bill Butler who is with his 1171 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:38,890 wife in the Pacific for 68 days I 1172 00:49:45,090 --> 00:49:42,730 believe just after me and I've talked to 1173 00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:45,100 other ocean survivors a different thing 1174 00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:47,500 and I owed was on a boat that crashed 1175 00:49:53,580 --> 00:49:50,260 into the Galapagos Islands who was there 1176 00:49:55,770 --> 00:49:53,590 for I think 10 days and although that's 1177 00:49:57,420 --> 00:49:55,780 you know people get focused on period 1178 00:49:59,850 --> 00:49:57,430 length of time but that's really not the 1179 00:50:01,620 --> 00:49:59,860 issue they were the boat was gone they 1180 00:50:02,730 --> 00:50:01,630 had absolutely nothing they got off the 1181 00:50:05,010 --> 00:50:02,740 boat in the middle of the night with 1182 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:05,020 only their underwear they you know it's 1183 00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:07,210 a volcanic island they're all cut up and 1184 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:10,930 told no shade at all it was you know so 1185 00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:12,970 I've talked to a lot of survivors over 1186 00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:15,220 the years both oceanic and otherwise you 1187 00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:19,360 know the guys who were in the in the the 1188 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:22,720 Andes plane crash really had led to the 1189 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:25,390 boat the book in the film alive right 1190 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:28,390 and just lots of people in all kinds of 1191 00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:29,170 situations 1192 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:32,920 fishermen yeah quite a few 1193 00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,330 now I reordered your book and you know 1194 00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:39,520 because I couldn't find my 1986 copy 1195 00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:41,710 uh-huh and I saw that you it was a 1196 00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:44,260 recent printing affair left 2005 or 1197 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:46,510 something I can't remember but in it you 1198 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:48,010 were saying that you know you were a 1199 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:49,690 little bit upset that some people 1200 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,010 thought you were a hero you didn't think 1201 00:50:56,850 --> 00:50:54,160 you were a hero no no no I don't know I 1202 00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:56,860 I'm not sure who our heroes really 1203 00:50:59,640 --> 00:50:58,090 because they you know you talked to 1204 00:51:02,460 --> 00:50:59,650 military guys who've been through 1205 00:51:05,250 --> 00:51:02,470 horrendous situations who you know who's 1206 00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:05,260 you know maybe the sole survivor or one 1207 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:07,360 of few survivors when all their mates 1208 00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:11,490 are gone and virtually to a person 1209 00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,510 people who go through the stuff come 1210 00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:15,520 back to go I'm no hero you know you know 1211 00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:17,230 here was the guys we've got left over 1212 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:21,580 there I wrote the book in part to give 1213 00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:24,730 people a voice who were a lot more lot 1214 00:51:29,339 --> 00:51:25,960 smarter and more 1215 00:51:31,859 --> 00:51:29,349 Tabo than me who never made it back Wow 1216 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:31,869 you know that's quite a statement when 1217 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:35,890 so how long did it take you after you 1218 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:37,330 were well I want to talk about your 1219 00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,490 rescue and all that too but how long did 1220 00:51:44,070 --> 00:51:40,960 it take you before you were actually 1221 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:44,080 behind the helm again sailing oh that 1222 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:47,290 was pretty quick really yeah yeah 1223 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:48,990 as I tell people I'm a very slow learner 1224 00:51:55,950 --> 00:51:52,690 but you didn't do a solo like a pig so 1225 00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,960 next year I really I I single an amazing 1226 00:52:01,170 --> 00:51:58,480 boat to Bermuda in a single-handed race 1227 00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:01,180 I had back up on the horse but you know 1228 00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:03,550 when I got when I got to land people 1229 00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,150 were very kind to me and really kind of 1230 00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:09,280 adopted me and took care of me and my 1231 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:11,380 parents came down but it was kind of 1232 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:13,690 weird because I was 30 years old I'd 1233 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:15,849 been a very independent guy even when I 1234 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:19,510 was in from the time I was baby I think 1235 00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:23,440 I was very independent guy and certainly 1236 00:52:26,490 --> 00:52:25,150 when as soon as I got out of school it 1237 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:26,500 wasn't like you know I know a lot of 1238 00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:27,970 kids go home and live with her parents 1239 00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:30,520 now I you know back in that era we were 1240 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:32,680 all waiting to get out of the house yeah 1241 00:52:37,380 --> 00:52:34,570 yeah and and so I'd been very 1242 00:52:40,170 --> 00:52:37,390 independent for a long long time and of 1243 00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:40,180 course lived kind of this um you know 1244 00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:42,369 ultimate independence for two-and-a-half 1245 00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:45,420 months really a year while I was unsolo 1246 00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:49,240 and came back and it was like every I 1247 00:52:55,380 --> 00:52:52,960 had no control over my life so I needed 1248 00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,390 to kind of reclaim my life and people 1249 00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,000 had heard about me when I landed through 1250 00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:00,900 the coconut grapevine VHF radio as an 1251 00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:04,200 but not so sailors would stop by the 1252 00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:06,150 island they're really sweet you know 1253 00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:10,320 they bring me a banana brat or this or 1254 00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:12,390 that you know and and that was lovely in 1255 00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:17,670 a boat stopped in and um there was a guy 1256 00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:19,590 on board I had known I thought ah 1257 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:22,980 grafite the sailing circuit and they 1258 00:53:28,310 --> 00:53:25,020 were making a film on the using it as a 1259 00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:28,320 movie boat and in the boat was owned by 1260 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:32,670 a guy I knew in England so they gave me 1261 00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:35,010 the ride off the island and I started 1262 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:37,080 hitchhiking up through the through the 1263 00:53:42,050 --> 00:53:39,090 islands I was pretty useless as crew 1264 00:53:44,270 --> 00:53:42,060 because I at the time my my legs look 1265 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:44,280 like I had elephantiasis I was gaining 1266 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:46,650 like a kilo a day mostly water which was 1267 00:53:51,350 --> 00:53:49,290 being entertained and it was it took 1268 00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:51,360 over six weeks before I could kind of 1269 00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:54,630 walk do you have any long-term effects 1270 00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,530 from this oh it's impossible No yeah I 1271 00:54:01,580 --> 00:54:00,240 mean I've had all health issues in 1272 00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:01,590 recent years whether they're tied to 1273 00:54:05,570 --> 00:54:03,990 that or not is mystery unless they 1274 00:54:09,740 --> 00:54:05,580 actually dissect you when you come back 1275 00:54:11,780 --> 00:54:09,750 they can't really examine you know organ 1276 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:11,790 failure organ problems and stuff like 1277 00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:15,330 that but it's possible like it's a you 1278 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:19,280 know when I got back and after a few 1279 00:54:24,350 --> 00:54:22,650 days in like their definitive lines that 1280 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:24,360 are on your fingernails as they grow out 1281 00:54:30,290 --> 00:54:27,360 from your intuition yeah exactly you 1282 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:30,300 know my hair started falling out like by 1283 00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:32,970 the handfuls within a very short time 1284 00:54:37,220 --> 00:54:35,070 after I came back so I felt like it it 1285 00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:37,230 changed my metabolism it kind of kicked 1286 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:39,600 me into the middle age yeah yeah sure I 1287 00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:41,130 felt like he gave me about hand read 1288 00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:46,200 yours yeah when you were out there just 1289 00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:49,980 before you got rescued did you think you 1290 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:51,750 couldn't last much longer I mean how 1291 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:53,850 much longer do you think you could have 1292 00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:55,890 survived I really have no idea no idea 1293 00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:58,170 no idea but you're prepared to keep 1294 00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:01,500 going however long well it's it varied a 1295 00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:05,220 lot through the length of the day you 1296 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:06,540 know at the beginning of the voyage it 1297 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:08,110 was like I'll never make it 1298 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:09,490 even make the shipping language no 1299 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:11,410 freaking way I've got like a chance and 1300 00:55:14,580 --> 00:55:12,970 millions of even making the shipping 1301 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:14,590 light it's not to mention all the way 1302 00:55:19,830 --> 00:55:16,810 across but this often had this is also a 1303 00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:19,840 very common feeling among survivors when 1304 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:22,720 we first are in this situation it's like 1305 00:55:26,310 --> 00:55:24,460 there's no way I can do this and then 1306 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:26,320 slowly you get into that period that 1307 00:55:31,170 --> 00:55:29,290 that follows recoil into adaptation once 1308 00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:31,180 you've adapted to the environment it's 1309 00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:33,550 like well as long as nothing horrible 1310 00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:36,820 goes wrong I can keep doing this forever 1311 00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:41,110 but as my voyage went lengthen of course 1312 00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:43,630 you know rafting gear we get broken and 1313 00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:45,280 break down and it was like well if the 1314 00:55:53,370 --> 00:55:50,200 raft fails and I'm done and you know it 1315 00:55:55,650 --> 00:55:53,380 really was difficult to know and then 1316 00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:55,660 the big problem for me was staying 1317 00:56:03,210 --> 00:55:57,310 conscious during the day it was a 1318 00:56:05,010 --> 00:56:03,220 grueling it's hot hot hot and if I fell 1319 00:56:08,310 --> 00:56:05,020 asleep during the day then I'd wake up 1320 00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:08,320 and realized that the solar still had 1321 00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:10,870 screwed up because I hadn't dealt with 1322 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:13,480 it and I it was like losing a day's 1323 00:56:18,030 --> 00:56:16,270 worth of water or something so it was a 1324 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:18,040 huge struggle I call it the afternoon 1325 00:56:22,830 --> 00:56:20,590 bake-off yeah the afternoons were just 1326 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:22,840 rugged and horrible and they didn't have 1327 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:25,090 any cover left I did head there's like a 1328 00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,250 tent over the raft so I could get in 1329 00:56:31,350 --> 00:56:29,680 shade the shade itself wasn't exactly 1330 00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:31,360 the problem either they get hot inside 1331 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:35,380 their oven and and I I could have you 1332 00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:36,610 know even though there was an opening 1333 00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:38,200 and whatnot and I'd pour water over 1334 00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:40,150 myself and stand up so that the breeze 1335 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:43,000 would kind of flash dry and me and be 1336 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:46,810 cooler and whatnot but it still was it 1337 00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:49,930 was just unbelievably difficult and I we 1338 00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:51,550 go I don't I don't know if I can make 1339 00:56:56,550 --> 00:56:53,860 this another day and then slowly the Sun 1340 00:56:58,740 --> 00:56:56,560 would set and I'm drifting west and I'd 1341 00:57:01,350 --> 00:56:58,750 look out my sort of triangular picture 1342 00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:01,360 window if the Sun set and the grade it 1343 00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:03,400 would start coming around the raft again 1344 00:57:08,340 --> 00:57:06,580 and things would be relatively peaceful 1345 00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:08,350 and I have a little bite to eat and a 1346 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:11,680 swallow of water and it's like I made it 1347 00:57:16,860 --> 00:57:14,620 through that day and so it's located 1348 00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:16,870 aren't feeling that bad so I think I can 1349 00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:17,160 do 1350 00:57:22,099 --> 00:57:18,599 is another day but I really had no idea 1351 00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:22,109 yeah yeah amazing someone in the 1352 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:24,450 chatroom of wanting to know if you saw 1353 00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,210 anything unusual this person spends a 1354 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:29,579 lot of time at sea and always sees 1355 00:57:32,930 --> 00:57:31,170 beautiful and unusual things 1356 00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,940 fish water colored set or anything 1357 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:34,859 anything unusual at all while you're out 1358 00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:35,220 there 1359 00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:39,119 mmm everything kinda really ah Kathy 1360 00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:41,849 says for her the crux of a drifted which 1361 00:57:46,460 --> 00:57:44,609 was taken from my log it was this is a 1362 00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:46,470 view of heaven from a seat in Hell which 1363 00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,020 was one written one night and you know 1364 00:57:52,099 --> 00:57:50,640 because there you know we think of Big 1365 00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,109 Sky Country there's no bigger Sky 1366 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:54,960 Country than the ocean yeah and it's it 1367 00:57:59,599 --> 00:57:57,450 is truly awesome and you know I know 1368 00:58:03,319 --> 00:57:59,609 that's an overused word but it's 1369 00:58:06,130 --> 00:58:03,329 sometimes it's just yeah just knocks 1370 00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:06,140 your socks off it's just amazing and 1371 00:58:14,529 --> 00:58:10,079 there are things that you know the fish 1372 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,539 to me were I know godly if you will um 1373 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:16,650 like I said they were really my 1374 00:58:20,569 --> 00:58:18,780 superiors in that domain and I greatly 1375 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:20,579 respected them they were beautiful 1376 00:58:26,359 --> 00:58:23,130 gorgeous and I just loved watching them 1377 00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:26,369 and at night they would gather around 1378 00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:29,160 the raft and floating through the raft 1379 00:58:37,569 --> 00:58:33,180 and I'm sure your your your your guest 1380 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:37,579 here is is has seen the amazing 1381 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:39,960 bioluminescence its seemingly you know 1382 00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,770 it's something like 98% of of planktonic 1383 00:58:47,870 --> 00:58:46,140 life bioluminescence and we knew it is 1384 00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:47,880 rush your hand through the water it's 1385 00:58:53,029 --> 00:58:51,270 like creating galaxies and you know that 1386 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:53,039 stuff is really magical and so when the 1387 00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,690 fish are following it around wrap you 1388 00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:57,000 know I'm looking out there all slowly 1389 00:59:01,460 --> 00:58:58,680 gliding with a raft and they're all 1390 00:59:03,799 --> 00:59:01,470 glowing like silver platters and stuff 1391 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:03,809 like I said I saw rainbows inside of 1392 00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:08,490 rainbows and you know just amazing stuff 1393 00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:10,500 that's why I say you know there's a part 1394 00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:13,529 of you in in this experience that 1395 00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:15,510 doesn't want to you know you know you 1396 00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,160 never want to go back to the experience 1397 00:59:23,150 --> 00:59:20,880 but there are things you witness along 1398 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:23,160 the way that you can in things that you 1399 00:59:27,050 --> 00:59:24,810 become aware of both 1400 00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:27,060 early and externally that you could 1401 00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:30,390 never have captured in any other way so 1402 00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:32,910 I think that's why it's very common for 1403 00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:34,860 survivors not to regret their 1404 00:59:39,350 --> 00:59:37,320 experiences that they actually give us a 1405 00:59:40,460 --> 00:59:39,360 huge amount at the same time if we're 1406 00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:40,470 lucky enough to get through the other 1407 00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:41,460 end yeah 1408 00:59:45,110 --> 00:59:43,020 now just a couple more things I want to 1409 00:59:48,350 --> 00:59:45,120 talk to before we get to the end here 1410 00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:48,360 and basically the day you were found but 1411 00:59:56,090 --> 00:59:52,680 one of them how how cast wrought were 1412 00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:56,100 you when the ships went by and then see 1413 01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:58,740 oh my god I can't even imagine I was 1414 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:02,160 pretty distraught but I honestly I was I 1415 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:05,010 was not that surprised 1416 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:09,810 and I was more angry with myself like 1417 01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:13,890 the first ship that passed me by the 1418 01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:16,020 direito and wait well first of all I've 1419 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:17,580 been awakened earlier in the night 1420 01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:19,410 because these sharks would come up it 1421 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:21,900 was like a shark would trapped a direito 1422 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:23,850 underneath the raft and was bashing it 1423 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:25,530 around bashing the raft around in the 1424 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:27,330 middle of the night and it was three 1425 01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:33,050 four pretty freaky and then um I finally 1426 01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:35,910 drove the shark away and I don't know a 1427 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:37,950 couple hours later Greivis another 1428 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:39,690 grader start flopping around and I would 1429 01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:43,410 like immediately left up and I looked 1430 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:46,740 out and there was a ship and I I had a 1431 01:00:50,570 --> 01:00:49,050 whole arsenal flares firemen beautiful 1432 01:00:54,610 --> 01:00:50,580 flare you know parachutes the best 1433 01:00:57,380 --> 01:00:54,620 flares possible and I thought the ship 1434 01:01:00,350 --> 01:00:57,390 looked like a change course wishful 1435 01:01:02,030 --> 01:01:00,360 thinking I think there and it started 1436 01:01:04,490 --> 01:01:02,040 steaming it looked like was steaming 1437 01:01:06,260 --> 01:01:04,500 right at me and I fired you know a bunch 1438 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:06,270 of flares at it and it just went steamed 1439 01:01:10,940 --> 01:01:07,770 right by it was close enough that I 1440 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:10,950 could smell diesel you know and you know 1441 01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:13,170 you're riding the wake after it goes by 1442 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:16,080 and stuff and I was like oh my god and I 1443 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:19,170 was I was I was angry but not at the 1444 01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:20,970 ship I was really angry with myself 1445 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:25,920 because I had you know I I I was acting 1446 01:01:32,540 --> 01:01:29,450 on hopes rather than reality and a 1447 01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:32,550 gallon soon I drank wot too much I drank 1448 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:35,099 water really yeah and 1449 01:01:37,579 --> 01:01:36,210 I thought you're going to be rescued I 1450 01:01:39,259 --> 01:01:37,589 thought that's this is it rescue I 1451 01:01:42,759 --> 01:01:39,269 didn't drink this water that was you 1452 01:01:47,509 --> 01:01:42,769 know and then I used way too many fliers 1453 01:01:49,099 --> 01:01:47,519 so you know I have been at sea enough to 1454 01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,109 realize how difficult it is for people 1455 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:51,119 to see you even if they know you're 1456 01:01:54,759 --> 01:01:52,650 there and they're looking for you not to 1457 01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:54,769 mention just like your average 1458 01:01:59,599 --> 01:01:57,660 commercial ship which is especially at 1459 01:02:01,099 --> 01:01:59,609 night might have a couple of guys on but 1460 01:02:02,539 --> 01:02:01,109 they might be in the radio room or out 1461 01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:02,549 on the other side of the ship taking a 1462 01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:07,619 smoke or god knows what in I had read 1463 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:11,279 all kinds of survival books before all 1464 01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:13,890 you know all the famous ones anyway and 1465 01:02:18,829 --> 01:02:15,660 it was very common for people to be 1466 01:02:20,299 --> 01:02:18,839 missed by ships and Wow so it wasn't a 1467 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:20,309 surprise and in the end of course the 1468 01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,890 voyage I ran out of functional flares 1469 01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:24,720 and all that last one that passed me by 1470 01:02:31,130 --> 01:02:27,180 just kind of glanced at it it was way 1471 01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,140 off in the distance anyway and that was 1472 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:33,359 the ninth ship that passed me oh my god 1473 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:36,809 now we talked early on we talked about 1474 01:02:41,509 --> 01:02:38,190 all the different ways you could have 1475 01:02:44,269 --> 01:02:41,519 died good if he didn't have the fork can 1476 01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:44,279 you talk about that that's Annie I had a 1477 01:02:48,229 --> 01:02:46,380 little party for myself on the 38th day 1478 01:02:49,969 --> 01:02:48,239 because dule Robertson and his family 1479 01:02:51,799 --> 01:02:49,979 have lived 38 days in the Pacific and 1480 01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:51,809 then we wrote a book amazing book called 1481 01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:54,420 survived the savage seas and it was very 1482 01:03:01,069 --> 01:02:57,200 inspirational to all ocean survivors 1483 01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:01,079 because they were very overcrowded in 1484 01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:03,569 this teeny will dinging essentially 1485 01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:05,190 they'd had an inflated raft which 1486 01:03:09,799 --> 01:03:07,859 malfunctions and so they could keep half 1487 01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:09,809 of it functioning but the you know 1488 01:03:14,979 --> 01:03:11,579 wrapping around the dinging but there 1489 01:03:17,749 --> 01:03:14,989 was this whole family on this dinghy and 1490 01:03:21,289 --> 01:03:17,759 they had to be very inventive in order 1491 01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:21,299 to survive with how they caught you know 1492 01:03:26,029 --> 01:03:24,420 fish and all the stuff and he had 1493 01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,039 written the survival manual that I 1494 01:03:30,469 --> 01:03:28,710 carried on my raft which was very very 1495 01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:30,479 useful and I'd probably read it a 1496 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:35,249 hundred times and so for me to come up 1497 01:03:42,259 --> 01:03:39,930 to do a Robertson's days was reason for 1498 01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,269 celebration I mean the raft was still 1499 01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:44,760 together and my gear was functioning 1500 01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:46,230 learn to live off the environment and 1501 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:49,230 all that stuff and then just five days 1502 01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:52,770 later I was spearing a spirited aredo 1503 01:03:58,010 --> 01:03:55,500 and they're pretty big powerful fish and 1504 01:03:59,540 --> 01:03:58,020 once again it wasn't the first time that 1505 01:04:01,850 --> 01:03:59,550 it kind of broken the spear but this 1506 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:01,860 time it broke this actually snapped the 1507 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:04,050 shaft right in half then just bend it or 1508 01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:08,130 strip off some other part of it and it 1509 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:10,590 the fish turned around and rammed the 1510 01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:13,290 two rammed the point of the spear into 1511 01:04:21,110 --> 01:04:18,750 the bottom tube and made a rip and so 1512 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:21,120 that was a horrible situation that took 1513 01:04:24,380 --> 01:04:22,530 me to the lowest point of the wage it 1514 01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:24,390 took me about ten days to figure out a 1515 01:04:28,690 --> 01:04:26,700 fix for it and it was critical that I 1516 01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:28,700 fix it because with the bottom two 1517 01:04:34,190 --> 01:04:31,200 deflated it was like the bottom of the 1518 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:34,200 wrap became like a jellyfish dragging 1519 01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:36,770 through the water look around I wasn't 1520 01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:39,750 karate I'd almost no free board then 1521 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:41,400 because losing the shape of the raft 1522 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:43,170 with this you know pressure pushing up 1523 01:04:47,690 --> 01:04:45,810 in the bottom I actually lost all but a 1524 01:04:50,090 --> 01:04:47,700 couple inches to three inches of free 1525 01:04:52,010 --> 01:04:50,100 board that meant you know all these 1526 01:04:55,610 --> 01:04:52,020 normal waves you know they're kind of 1527 01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:55,620 coming by and I was wet a lot and plus 1528 01:05:01,010 --> 01:04:57,660 it was hard to work tend to the solar 1529 01:05:03,260 --> 01:05:01,020 stills to fish to do anything so it took 1530 01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:03,270 me a long time to figure that out and I 1531 01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:05,790 tried and try and try it again and I was 1532 01:05:12,710 --> 01:05:09,390 just really I just beat I was totally on 1533 01:05:14,090 --> 01:05:12,720 that and I had a pump obviously I did 1534 01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:14,100 have a pump I could pump it up and I 1535 01:05:17,810 --> 01:05:16,200 would make these patches and stuff but 1536 01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:17,820 they would blow out you know after a 1537 01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:19,800 short while we have little wave hits or 1538 01:05:25,220 --> 01:05:21,510 something or other and it would dislodge 1539 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:25,230 things and blow out again and I tried 1540 01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:27,450 external pressure patches and as hard as 1541 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:30,600 I could tied you know put a plug in the 1542 01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:32,490 mouth if you will and tie it around it 1543 01:05:38,020 --> 01:05:34,020 and stuff but it didn't matter it just 1544 01:05:40,850 --> 01:05:38,030 would fail and it just drove me nuts and 1545 01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:40,860 finally I really came close to just 1546 01:05:44,509 --> 01:05:42,630 giving up and 1547 01:05:48,529 --> 01:05:44,519 think I have any strength and then I you 1548 01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:48,539 know forced myself when it really came 1549 01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:50,910 home that I wasn't just talking about 1550 01:05:54,529 --> 01:05:52,950 this this I I was going to be dead 1551 01:05:58,249 --> 01:05:54,539 pretty soon if I didn't figure out 1552 01:06:00,349 --> 01:05:58,259 something it scared me and I I kind of 1553 01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:00,359 solo okay to go through what do you got 1554 01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:02,249 in the raft and stuff like that and in 1555 01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:05,160 my ditch kid I had some stuff that's you 1556 01:06:09,469 --> 01:06:07,140 know I might use on the boat like extra 1557 01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:09,479 fittings for the rudder and stuff like 1558 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:13,079 that and and I had a utensil kit in 1559 01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:15,690 there I don't know why I had the 1560 01:06:19,940 --> 01:06:17,190 stainless steel utensil kit like Boy 1561 01:06:22,969 --> 01:06:19,950 Scout you telephone kid right but it was 1562 01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:22,979 there and it dawned on me oh oh I got 1563 01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:26,819 this I know and I realized then which 1564 01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:29,099 which is often the case that we have to 1565 01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:32,809 do more damage to something in order to 1566 01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:37,710 to find the fix companies do this 1567 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:39,420 routinely they find that they have to 1568 01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:41,970 take a hit they out of bite the bullet 1569 01:06:46,219 --> 01:06:45,089 and destroy something in order to make 1570 01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:46,229 the company right again 1571 01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:47,670 right and we have to do this in a 1572 01:06:52,219 --> 01:06:50,160 personal level sometimes too and in my 1573 01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:52,229 case that had happened early on in the 1574 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:54,150 rap town teeny holes in the bottom there 1575 01:06:59,719 --> 01:06:57,450 out well they're too hard too too small 1576 01:07:01,849 --> 01:06:59,729 to put a plug in and they were 1577 01:07:03,589 --> 01:07:01,859 constantly shooting water little geysers 1578 01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:03,599 of water so I had to actually increase 1579 01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:05,339 the size of these holes in order to 1580 01:07:10,519 --> 01:07:08,339 patch them and this was a similar case 1581 01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:10,529 where I figured oh I know I'll take the 1582 01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:13,440 lips put a plug in and then I'll cut 1583 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:16,380 slits and lips and put a pin through so 1584 01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,450 the handle to a fork was the answer to 1585 01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:20,640 all my problems and once I figured that 1586 01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:23,849 out like I said I'm a very slow learner 1587 01:07:27,319 --> 01:07:25,710 if I figure this out day one and 1588 01:07:29,269 --> 01:07:27,329 wouldn't behave things a lot easier but 1589 01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:29,279 it gave me a something solid I can 1590 01:07:32,809 --> 01:07:31,140 really lash around and the lashings 1591 01:07:34,279 --> 01:07:32,819 couldn't be forced off or anything like 1592 01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:34,289 that and the bottom tooth ended up 1593 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:35,940 holding you here better than the top two 1594 01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,050 for the rest of the void 1595 01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:40,200 so under hours yeah you know the whole 1596 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:42,540 survival voyage is an arc of it's like 1597 01:07:46,610 --> 01:07:44,490 normal life on steroids as we say you 1598 01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,620 know because the highs are incredibly 1599 01:07:51,110 --> 01:07:48,630 high and the lows are incredibly low and 1600 01:07:54,110 --> 01:07:51,120 they're packed together you know so you 1601 01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,120 know you you fail at something and you 1602 01:07:58,670 --> 01:07:56,460 it's the end of you world and then you 1603 01:08:01,490 --> 01:07:58,680 find a solution like that and I was like 1604 01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,500 I'm the king of the world now yeah now 1605 01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,780 if you went back in time 1606 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:05,760 obviously you survived so that's totally 1607 01:08:10,130 --> 01:08:08,010 amazing but if you went back with all 1608 01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:10,140 the technology that there was then in 1609 01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:13,440 there would you have done anything 1610 01:08:20,270 --> 01:08:15,180 different or do you think you pretty 1611 01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:20,280 much had everything you needed mmm 1612 01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:22,859 well different yeah I probably would 1613 01:08:25,970 --> 01:08:23,880 have built the boat a little bit 1614 01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,980 differently mm-hmm changing the design 1615 01:08:32,530 --> 01:08:27,839 when I got home you know things like 1616 01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:32,540 that the pre impact stage yeah um I 1617 01:08:38,660 --> 01:08:35,220 don't know I was I was very well 1618 01:08:43,450 --> 01:08:38,670 prepared for the era with the I Whitman 1619 01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:43,460 and stuff and I suppose had I gone to 1620 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:46,620 survival training specific survival 1621 01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,770 training that might have helped in some 1622 01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:51,839 way but there really wasn't much in that 1623 01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:58,020 time anyway yeah um I think that if I 1624 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:00,299 had carried a handheld VHF radio and a 1625 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:01,410 lot of proof pouch 1626 01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,850 I could have sick I could have probably 1627 01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:05,040 spoken to one of the ships one of the 1628 01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:07,020 early ships that passed me by and that 1629 01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:08,910 was a piece of gear I suggested people 1630 01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:11,220 have after I got back which actually 1631 01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:14,640 helped a major mind blow resolute yeah 1632 01:09:21,559 --> 01:09:18,600 the next fall things like that an 1633 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:21,569 overall you know overall I had to say 1634 01:09:28,730 --> 01:09:26,130 when when when I landed I was a little 1635 01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:28,740 proud of myself to say you know I didn't 1636 01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:30,830 think I could do this and I did do it so 1637 01:09:34,269 --> 01:09:33,870 it gave me a reassurance that I'd never 1638 01:09:37,029 --> 01:09:34,279 real 1639 01:09:39,309 --> 01:09:37,039 had before in life but could I have done 1640 01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,319 better absolutely and you know people 1641 01:09:43,419 --> 01:09:40,400 will put you in your place Eva 1642 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:43,429 especially kids like I got a radio that 1643 01:09:48,939 --> 01:09:46,250 I did a radio show I talk and tell a 1644 01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,949 story I did a radio show called kids 1645 01:09:54,819 --> 01:09:50,960 America in you know there I think the 1646 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:54,829 kids were about ten years old and after 1647 01:10:00,040 --> 01:09:57,650 I got back and and so this young this 1648 01:10:02,410 --> 01:10:00,050 young man gets on and he's asking me he 1649 01:10:04,089 --> 01:10:02,420 says you know I read your book and I 1650 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:04,099 said yeah and he goes but I'm a little 1651 01:10:07,419 --> 01:10:05,690 confused here and you know you complain 1652 01:10:09,790 --> 01:10:07,429 that you couldn't catch the fish with a 1653 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:09,800 with a with a line and I explained as I 1654 01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,260 did you know they just like you know bit 1655 01:10:16,839 --> 01:10:14,000 the line off and then I found a piece of 1656 01:10:19,149 --> 01:10:16,849 wire and he goes yeah you said that you 1657 01:10:21,549 --> 01:10:19,159 had no more wire with you and I said 1658 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:21,559 yeah he goes but you say earlier in the 1659 01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:23,270 book there's a light on the top of the 1660 01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:24,710 raft when you first get into it nice 1661 01:10:30,879 --> 01:10:28,130 yeah and he goes will you explain that 1662 01:10:33,310 --> 01:10:30,889 that was there was a battery that get me 1663 01:10:35,859 --> 01:10:33,320 this get submerged in seawater and turns 1664 01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:35,869 the light on oh yeah he goes what is 1665 01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:39,110 thorough people water those ten year old 1666 01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:42,980 yeah yeah so so yes I could have done 1667 01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:43,510 better 1668 01:10:47,859 --> 01:10:46,219 that's that's great it kid says 1669 01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:47,869 something like that how how great is 1670 01:10:52,990 --> 01:10:49,190 that Wow 1671 01:10:57,069 --> 01:10:53,000 let's talk about the last day that you 1672 01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:57,079 were now I remember I believe now this 1673 01:11:00,580 --> 01:10:58,400 is going all the way back to when I read 1674 01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:00,590 the book the first time because I didn't 1675 01:11:05,589 --> 01:11:03,110 finish this time and but if I remember 1676 01:11:08,620 --> 01:11:05,599 right you kind of wake up and you see 1677 01:11:10,450 --> 01:11:08,630 like fishing boats near you first no 1678 01:11:13,089 --> 01:11:10,460 they're not quite fit fishing boats you 1679 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:13,099 know I when you're at sea you often see 1680 01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:15,770 you know glows and they're often you 1681 01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:19,250 know a ship or something was down under 1682 01:11:25,569 --> 01:11:22,940 the horizon and when you're in you know 1683 01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,579 closer to land a lot of times you'll see 1684 01:11:29,649 --> 01:11:28,159 a bunch of glows and sometimes those are 1685 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:29,659 land lights sometimes they're like 1686 01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:33,170 offshore fishing fleets and so I was 1687 01:11:40,270 --> 01:11:37,369 seeing the glow on the 75th night I you 1688 01:11:43,509 --> 01:11:40,280 know keep waking up and one of those 1689 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:43,519 lights those glows there and I kept you 1690 01:11:46,939 --> 01:11:45,380 know i neva gated I actually was pretty 1691 01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:46,949 good with mine 1692 01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,110 um but I didn't have any faith in myself 1693 01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:52,480 that I was that I was like oh I'm doing 1694 01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:54,760 this as an exercise but I kept expecting 1695 01:12:02,850 --> 01:11:57,280 to see land and so it wasn't unexpected 1696 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:02,860 to just to see land but I thought well I 1697 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:04,210 don't know I should have seen land days 1698 01:12:08,250 --> 01:12:05,850 ago and I don't know maybe I've drifted 1699 01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:08,260 you know between the islands maybe I'm 1700 01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,510 way farther north than I think I was and 1701 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:12,400 I'm the next stop is England I get 1702 01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:14,170 straits caught up in the Gulf Stream but 1703 01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:16,710 there are definitely lights up there and 1704 01:12:20,729 --> 01:12:19,420 after waking up a couple of times and 1705 01:12:23,220 --> 01:12:20,739 the lights are still there you realize 1706 01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:23,230 there's something going on so maybe it's 1707 01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:26,020 a fishing fleet or whatever and finally 1708 01:12:31,020 --> 01:12:29,320 middle of the night sometime I start 1709 01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:31,030 seeing the loom of a lighthouse you know 1710 01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:33,820 this post nice a distinct Pole so I said 1711 01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,190 that's it that's not efficiently that on 1712 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:39,600 a rock some guys and so the next morning 1713 01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:42,850 at first light I could see that I was 1714 01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:44,860 actually a lot closer to the island then 1715 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:47,140 I thought I was I could see a big island 1716 01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:48,370 to the back big mountainous island of 1717 01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,739 the back another one kind of the south a 1718 01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:52,719 little bit and the one right ahead of me 1719 01:12:59,000 --> 01:12:55,480 was a lower island but was probably five 1720 01:13:05,520 --> 01:12:59,010 miles five ten miles at most I could see 1721 01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:05,530 little buildings I could see a beach but 1722 01:13:09,959 --> 01:13:07,510 it would have been an incredibly 1723 01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:09,969 dangerous landing because outside of the 1724 01:13:13,169 --> 01:13:11,320 beach you know it's Caribbean so there 1725 01:13:15,209 --> 01:13:13,179 was a reef outside the beach probably 1726 01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:15,219 half mile outside of that and the whole 1727 01:13:19,890 --> 01:13:16,600 northern part of the island was coral 1728 01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:19,900 cliffs with 3,000 miles of ocean swells 1729 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:22,449 smashing against it so I started 1730 01:13:28,590 --> 01:13:26,530 preparing for a either a difficult 1731 01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:28,600 landing or possible to guide myself 1732 01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:30,790 around the south side of the island then 1733 01:13:35,130 --> 01:13:33,400 get around the the beach and stuff and 1734 01:13:38,820 --> 01:13:35,140 land on the lured side of the island 1735 01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:38,830 somehow and as I was doing so I started 1736 01:13:43,140 --> 01:13:40,750 hearing an engine and 1737 01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:43,150 my head out and there's a local open 1738 01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:46,540 fishing boat about 25 feet and three 1739 01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,180 guys in it steaming out to me so I was 1740 01:13:55,470 --> 01:13:51,520 like and they wait so I've been seeing 1741 01:13:59,460 --> 01:13:55,480 that yeah that was that and as it turned 1742 01:14:01,080 --> 01:13:59,470 out you know the derail like I said 1743 01:14:03,210 --> 01:14:01,090 direito are really the heroes of the 1744 01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:03,220 story the the fish 1745 01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:11,260 they were my sustenance they really were 1746 01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:14,110 my more than friends I mean I you know I 1747 01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,380 really think I came to understand a lot 1748 01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:19,600 of cultures that live very close to the 1749 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:21,550 environment especially you know hunting 1750 01:14:26,490 --> 01:14:23,470 gathering cultures and stuff and how 1751 01:14:28,710 --> 01:14:26,500 they look at the natural world that to 1752 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:28,720 me they were you know the extensions of 1753 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:32,650 God or God or whatever and so they were 1754 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:35,770 very spiritual to me too and at one 1755 01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:38,170 point they you know they certainly saved 1756 01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:38,860 my life 1757 01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:41,200 they also almost killed me but in the 1758 01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:42,910 end they brought my salvation because 1759 01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:45,280 the direito the school would rate or 1760 01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:47,080 this whole ecosystem that developed as 1761 01:14:52,260 --> 01:14:48,670 it got closer to land 1762 01:14:53,970 --> 01:14:52,270 drew birds to it so these frigate birds 1763 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:53,980 were hovering above the raft and the 1764 01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:55,930 fishermen or smart guys they have what a 1765 01:15:00,330 --> 01:14:57,730 friend of mine calls natural literacy 1766 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:00,340 they look at the work real world out 1767 01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:01,840 there and they say these birds are 1768 01:15:06,150 --> 01:15:03,190 telling us that there's something under 1769 01:15:07,860 --> 01:15:06,160 there so they came out and to find fish 1770 01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:07,870 and there I was in the middle of them 1771 01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:10,630 well I bet you looked pretty at the time 1772 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:13,180 too oh I was gorgeous I at least had a 1773 01:15:20,670 --> 01:15:17,770 great tan no this is such an amazing 1774 01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,680 story how long did it take you to 1775 01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:22,480 actually be able to eat regular food 1776 01:15:28,170 --> 01:15:24,580 that must have been very difficult to 1777 01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:28,180 start that wasn't actually no no um I 1778 01:15:32,820 --> 01:15:30,250 lost about a third of my weight which is 1779 01:15:36,270 --> 01:15:32,830 very common ocean survivors who've been 1780 01:15:38,250 --> 01:15:36,280 adrift even more than a few weeks you 1781 01:15:40,710 --> 01:15:38,260 lose a lot of weight right away your 1782 01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:40,720 metabolism changes starvation up to the 1783 01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:43,000 metabolism and so you absorb you know 1784 01:15:46,830 --> 01:15:45,250 your energy level decreases but your 1785 01:15:48,900 --> 01:15:46,840 body's using less 1786 01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:48,910 energy so it was most of the weight 1787 01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:50,230 right away and then it kind of flattens 1788 01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:53,950 out so I lost about a third and I got 1789 01:15:59,490 --> 01:15:57,850 ashore and they took me they took me 1790 01:16:01,740 --> 01:15:59,500 across the island to the hospital there 1791 01:16:04,530 --> 01:16:01,750 and this doctor came out and he kind of 1792 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:04,540 looks in at me and you know what am I 1793 01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:07,890 supposed to do with you ah got that and 1794 01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,400 so I when I got into got into the room 1795 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:13,600 the doctor says well we're going to give 1796 01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:15,250 you some antibiotics to help you clear 1797 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:17,710 up all these saltwater stores and stuff 1798 01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:20,610 and and we're going to give you an IV 1799 01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:24,790 feed you know because you know we don't 1800 01:16:28,890 --> 01:16:26,250 want to give you solid food and I said 1801 01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:28,900 wait right there you know I I've been 1802 01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:32,110 eating not large amounts but I've been 1803 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:34,270 eating pretty regularly I think I can 1804 01:16:37,170 --> 01:16:36,010 handle solid food so they gave me you 1805 01:16:39,450 --> 01:16:37,180 know they brought in this tray of 1806 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:39,460 amazing you know fruit crops and 1807 01:16:44,490 --> 01:16:42,130 starches and vitamins and stuff all my 1808 01:16:45,870 --> 01:16:44,500 body is craved as well as a little 1809 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:45,880 square of salted fish which I thought 1810 01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:50,890 was amusing not to but yeah and then you 1811 01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:52,510 know I didn't stay in the hospital the 1812 01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:54,700 there was an anesthesiologist there 1813 01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:56,560 French like no it's French West Indies 1814 01:17:01,470 --> 01:16:58,570 and later this island Marie gallant just 1815 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:01,480 ought to go out a loop and the 1816 01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:03,370 anesthesiologist spoke English and she 1817 01:17:07,230 --> 01:17:04,870 heard that I was in the hospital so she 1818 01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:07,240 and her husband invited me back to their 1819 01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:08,740 house that evening and she made 1820 01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:11,320 ratatouille and all this stuff and that 1821 01:17:17,340 --> 01:17:14,100 I don't know I started eating like a pig 1822 01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:17,350 but my body just in you know it's Creole 1823 01:17:23,010 --> 01:17:20,140 it's real Creole food - so after a 1824 01:17:24,570 --> 01:17:23,020 couple of days I just I got really sick 1825 01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:24,580 it's you know going out and coming out 1826 01:17:28,569 --> 01:17:26,740 on both Manuel and I got very very ill 1827 01:17:31,330 --> 01:17:28,579 for a while to me in a while too 1828 01:17:33,729 --> 01:17:31,340 from that I know you know for the first 1829 01:17:36,609 --> 01:17:33,739 10 days or so I was gaining a kilo a day 1830 01:17:38,620 --> 01:17:36,619 but most of it was water and because I 1831 01:17:40,839 --> 01:17:38,630 had high sodium level and really low 1832 01:17:42,700 --> 01:17:40,849 potassium level that my body wasn't 1833 01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:42,710 ridding itself of any of these foods and 1834 01:17:46,750 --> 01:17:45,110 it was all sinking to my legs and feet 1835 01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:46,760 yeah you're still on starvation mode 1836 01:17:51,220 --> 01:17:48,710 basically a part of your body is anyway 1837 01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:51,230 yeah I'm sure yeah two more questions 1838 01:17:56,319 --> 01:17:54,170 and one is uh probably a strange one but 1839 01:17:57,819 --> 01:17:56,329 if someone actually heard this show when 1840 01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:57,829 they're out at sea and they're stranded 1841 01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,679 like you were there anything you would 1842 01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:02,239 say to them to help them is there any 1843 01:18:15,459 --> 01:18:09,520 give yourself be very patient with 1844 01:18:18,729 --> 01:18:15,469 yourself and the world and try not to 1845 01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:18,739 obsess too much on the overall goal keep 1846 01:18:27,339 --> 01:18:23,199 it in mind but try to pay attention to 1847 01:18:30,729 --> 01:18:27,349 small achievable bites that add up the 1848 01:18:33,339 --> 01:18:30,739 overall goal I think almost all 1849 01:18:35,950 --> 01:18:33,349 survivors do this then you know the guy 1850 01:18:37,089 --> 01:18:35,960 who falls into the crevasse and touching 1851 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:37,099 the boy here I'm sure you're familiar 1852 01:18:41,890 --> 01:18:39,530 like is familiar with that falls in the 1853 01:18:43,299 --> 01:18:41,900 groove at amazing and he knows he's got 1854 01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,309 to get down the mountain but what is he 1855 01:18:48,189 --> 01:18:45,440 focusing on he's focusing on getting to 1856 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:48,199 the next rock down you know right that's 1857 01:18:56,140 --> 01:18:53,690 what you got to do and hopefully it'll 1858 01:18:57,339 --> 01:18:56,150 stack up into enough time and you'll 1859 01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:57,349 make your way out you know that's what I 1860 01:19:00,879 --> 01:18:59,090 looked at you know I'm looking at my 1861 01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:00,889 watch all the time and the seconds are 1862 01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:01,369 ticking by 1863 01:19:06,069 --> 01:19:03,710 ever so slowly but I realized every one 1864 01:19:08,890 --> 01:19:06,079 of those clicks is that clip closer to 1865 01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:08,900 salvation Wow amazing 1866 01:19:13,930 --> 01:19:11,780 uh we could end on that but I also 1867 01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:13,940 wanted to ask you but I think you kind 1868 01:19:17,410 --> 01:19:15,800 of answered it what's the best thing 1869 01:19:23,140 --> 01:19:17,420 that came out of this whole terrible 1870 01:19:25,510 --> 01:19:23,150 situation my life oh nice great well 1871 01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:25,520 thanks so much it's been you've been 1872 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,920 inspiring to me for 35 years 1873 01:19:34,510 --> 01:19:30,320 well about that well so much here since 1874 01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:34,520 I did look you're a cheap date yeah and 1875 01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:37,280 it's funny I you know the Internet has 1876 01:19:40,270 --> 01:19:38,930 changed everything and what 1877 01:19:42,340 --> 01:19:40,280 you know prior to internet I would have 1878 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:42,350 never been able to find you I found you 1879 01:19:47,650 --> 01:19:45,130 online yeah and you're you're 1880 01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:47,660 approachable so I thought it was very 1881 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:50,960 nice I appreciate your interest and the 1882 01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:54,410 interested your listeners Watchers and 1883 01:20:01,480 --> 01:19:57,920 everybody who's picked up a drift and 1884 01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:01,490 found anything in it that you know to me 1885 01:20:06,250 --> 01:20:03,590 you know Kathy and I don't have kids and 1886 01:20:10,660 --> 01:20:06,260 the closest thing people like us have to 1887 01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:10,670 kids are what we produce they go out in 1888 01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:12,170 the world and have their own lives as 1889 01:20:17,470 --> 01:20:14,420 far as I'm concerned and drift is very 1890 01:20:20,460 --> 01:20:17,480 much like a kid who's now 35 years old 1891 01:20:22,810 --> 01:20:20,470 and has created its own life thanks to 1892 01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:22,820 nothing's to me so much but the people 1893 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:26,030 who see themselves in it yeah so I I 1894 01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:28,730 appreciate everybody who is out there 1895 01:20:32,050 --> 01:20:30,140 doing their thing 1896 01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:32,060 reading adrift and struggling to survive 1897 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:34,310 we're all in the same boat really that's 1898 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:37,130 right all right all right so that's it 1899 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:39,050 for the show everyone thanks so much for 1900 01:20:44,590 --> 01:20:42,290 listening and we'll be back next week 1901 01:20:47,410 --> 01:20:44,600 and you know what I can't remember who 1902 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:47,420 my guess is next week but check back or 1903 01:20:51,970 --> 01:20:49,010 check on the website you'll see it there 1904 01:20:56,050 --> 01:20:51,980 I really enjoyed the show today 1905 01:20:56,060 --> 01:21:01,209 [Music] 1906 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:01,670 you